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[Hogprint]

h25b keenly observed:

If they gave a squat about seeing the same faces in the cockpit every time they flew and wanted to have NBAA compensated flight crews, they'd have their own plane/crew.

Sadly, many are coming to this conclusion and moving on.

 

[Ace-of-the-Base]

Yeah, I wasn't clear. I guess what I'm asking you is why would the other non-union frax pay just as low wages as NJA if as you say the majority of the industry are paying more?

What I'm hinting at is that this doesn't seem to be a union/non union issue. Piss poor pay is piss poor, no matter how you look at it.

Yes, Frax just pay bad. You are correct again. Now, I can't quite prove that it all started with NetJets and that the bad pay there all was caused by the collective bargaining (union), but it is obvious that NetJets was the first to the party and established the low wages for the rest to copy.

Good news is, the bad pay at the frax hasn't hurt the 91/135 pay one bit. Nor has the reduction in pay at the Majors. As a matter of fact, we're all making more than ever.

Union hurt your pay, can't prove it. Union helped your pay, don't think so.

Ace

 

[Hawkered]

It had nothing to do with the union. The terrible pay was started by Pay-For-Training, nothing else.

 

[acaTerry]

NJA was the first, they set a president and the rest of the frax followed. The majority of the industry (19 and 135) are non-union and pay MORE.

Ace

Please take some of your six-figure pay and get a spelling lesson. The word is PRECEDENT!

 

[acaTerry]

A couple weeks ago someone gave up asking how much you are asking for after repeating his question several times - no one would answer.

I think many of us pilots are in the dark on that. I for one have no idea. But I know it better not be $29,000 in year 3.

 

[acaTerry]

Who the h%ll said I was trying to be helpful ? The militant wing of your union burned the bridge with me and hundreds of others when they started with the scab-list threat for the 135 sell-off flights.

Well, sour grapes seems to sum it all up....

 

[El Chupacabra]

Originally Posted by dsptchrNJA

A couple weeks ago someone gave up asking how much you are asking for after repeating his question several times - no one would answer.


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NBAA pay. NJ is an NBAA member. Just want what other NBAA companies pay their pilots. Look it up.


Would be like Walmart employees asking for CostCo pay.



I heard that Bridgeway Bob said , "Picketing MAY be likely.... "

 

[FalconPilot69]

Pilot pay is now at a nearly all time low. Dollar for dollar, throughout the industry we are making less now than we were 20 years ago.
NetJets' problems are not pilot induced---ask the owners. QUOTE]

Until you get people to refuse to PFT and not work for sub standard wages such as the regionals and even NJA, cargo or any other flying job, you will never stop seeing low wages for pilots. If anyone thinks that they will see the money pilots were making 20 years ago or even pre 9/11, they are sadly mistaken. While there are still good paying flying jobs out there, the reality is unfortunately the reality. You see people posting on here all the time stating that pilots are "whores" and they are right.

 

[h25b]

Well, sour grapes seems to sum it all up....

Sour grapes... ???... No, it's called reeping what you sew...

 

[Ace-of-the-Base]

Please take some of your six-figure pay and get a spelling lesson. The word is PRECEDENT!

I'd rather have the money, thank you.

Ace

 

[Ace-of-the-Base]

Well, sour grapes seems to sum it all up....

I think, my spelling bee winner, that 'sour grapes' refers to someone who wanted something, was unable to obtain it, and then says he didn't want it in the first place. If he had tried to get a job with NetJets, or if he was trying to get sell-offs and couldn't, and was now saying they're things he never really wanted anyway and was putting them down for that reason, then, perhaps you would call it 'sour grapes'. What is happening hear might be retribution or holding a grudge.

Thanks for coming to class.

Ace

 

[El Chupacabra]

Did you make more spelling errors in the last post just to see if he'd catch them?

 

[Ace-of-the-Base]

Did you make more spelling errors in the last post just to see if he'd catch them?

Spelling can be corrected by a computer. Ignorant usage cannot.

Ace

 

[El Chupacabra]

Spelling can be corrected by a computer. Ignorant usage cannot.

Ace

Obviously. Hear Here.

 

[squonk]

Pilot pay is now at a nearly all time low. Dollar for dollar, throughout the industry we are making less now than we were 20 years ago.
NetJets' problems are not pilot induced---ask the owners. QUOTE]

Until you get people to refuse to PFT and not work for sub standard wages such as the regionals and even NJA, cargo or any other flying job, you will never stop seeing low wages for pilots. If anyone thinks that they will see the money pilots were making 20 years ago or even pre 9/11, they are sadly mistaken. While there are still good paying flying jobs out there, the reality is unfortunately the reality. You see people posting on here all the time stating that pilots are "whores" and they are right.

Falcon,

This brings up an interesting quandary. I have seen this argument, especially on this board, for over five years.

How do you keep people trying to break into this industry to refuse sub standard wages? I think most of us in the beginning had to settle for a sub standard wage just to get our hours unless you came out of the military and jumped into the right seat of a major.

Am I wrong about this? If anyone has any exceptions please post them.