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kngarthur said:
Why do you people act like the "new CFI" destroyed the industry? The mainline guys destroyed it by taking concessions
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Actually - he is correct. The mainline guys negotiated deals to have the regional jets operated by alter ego subsidiaries.

Who allowed outsourcing?
Who controls the airline's code?
Which MEC negotiate the deals?
Which ALPA President signed the contracts and is he from a "regional?"
Which pilot group ratified the scope that sent the airplanes to the shiny jet operators?

I share your repulsion at the DCI "Academy" idea. However, we regional pilots did not create this monster. The RJDC leadership tried to stop it by merging the operationally integrated airlines - but all of that is water under the bridge now.

If some SJS sufferer writes a check to DCI they will be on the list of unsecured creditors when Delta goes Ch. 11, and even worse if they Ch. 7, which apparently is being talked about in financial circles.

~~~^~~~

FDJ2 - will you be FAIIJ3?
 
FDJ2 said:
Yeah we didn't want 32% of our pay, our pensions, work rules or the Delta pilot medical plan either. You nailed it ace.:rolleyes:
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I'm just saying that you guys opened the floodgates... Now all the Regionals are jumping all over each other to get the things. As a buddy of mine said, "If we don't get them then Monkey Jet (Mesa) will. I'd rather they come here."
 
Just out of curiosity, what was "the old way" of making it to a jet or a major? Could any of you more senior pilots speak to the typical route to the big jet? In this day and age, what is the noble route to an airline career?

Were pilots as miffed back in the 60's and 70's when airlines like North Central, Mohawk, Southern, Piedmont and so on got jets (DC9-10/30, BAC 1-11)?

I tend to agree the "zero to hero" programs create SJS. In fact, last year, I dropped out of one of those programs as I felt I was only learning how to fly airplanes and pass check rides, not how to become a "pilot." Having worked with SJS victims, I should have known better than to sign on for one of those programs.
 
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I think you guys blow this SJS way out of proportion, look at my avatar, they may be smiling and all thumbs up, but it's because they want their new airline to start off well, they do not have SJS.
 
jbDC9 said:
You really don't have a clue do you?
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Oh you mean that the legacy carriers are slowly being replaced by the LLC's? While furloughed legacy pilots think they're "entitled" to a specific salary? I think you need to pull your head out of your ass, and go back to school and take a ECON 101 class. I know it would be the first real class you've ever taken.
 
kngarthur said:
Oh you mean that the legacy carriers are slowly being replaced by the LLC's? While furloughed legacy pilots think they're "entitled" to a specific salary? I think you need to pull your head out of your ass, and go back to school and take a ECON 101 class. I know it would be the first real class you've ever taken.
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Go to bed junior
 
How dare we wish to sustain a livable salary and get in the way of your dreams of flying to far away, romantic destinations while wearing polyesther uniforms and attempting to bed down flight attendants.
 
BenderGonzales said:
How dare we wish to sustain a livable salary and get in the way of your dreams of flying to far away, romantic destinations while wearing polyesther uniforms and attempting to bed down flight attendants.
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I'm sorry how selfish of me. I know it's all about you and your big salary you should be making!
 
BenderGonzales said:
If you truly are a freight-dog, then SJS you're likely not a victim of SJS anyway ... yet.
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Don't worry Bender, he is a CHQ pilot hoping to fly 190's for 50 seat pay. Therefore he is a victim.
 
Don't worry Bender, he is a CHQ pilot hoping to fly 190's for 50 seat pay. Therefore he is a victim.

He is not a Victim, he is a douchebag !!!
 
Bdfg1 said:
Don't worry Bender, he is a CHQ pilot hoping to fly 190's for 50 seat pay. Therefore he is a victim.
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I'm not a CHQ pilot--yet!!!! I'm in the pool!
 
Somewhere, Bender is smiling...

I think I've finally got the SJS thing figured out. It is accepting the first jet job that comes along "because it's flying a jet" with no thought of the future of a career.

I am of the opinion that it'd be far better, given my own career goals, to get PIC time in a multi piston or turboprop than it would to get SIC in a jet. Does that mean that I don't have SJS?

The "50 seat pay for the E190" issue I'll just leave alone since I don't have a dog in that fight.

Anyone want to comment on this thought process?

-Goose
 
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some one needs a life..... its not a good time to be an airline pilot for anyone, but its not the fault of the 20 year olds flying jets. Its the fault of all the low cost carriers taking over, internet web sites driving down tickets and the dam fuel costs. By the way alot of the academy guys are very sharp and do very well compared to the 135/ corprate guys with 4 times the hours.
 
jws717 said:
some one needs a life..... its not a good time to be an airline pilot for anyone, but its not the fault of the 20 year olds flying jets. Its the fault of all the low cost carriers taking over, internet web sites driving down tickets and the dam fuel costs. By the way alot of the academy guys are very sharp and do very well compared to the 135/ corprate guys with 4 times the hours.
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Perfectly stated!!!!!
 
Goose,

I think i'm gonna cry. You go fly that 402 in your photo for Cape Air for one winter and you'll be the ace of the base if you decide to go fly an RJ.

You'll have an appreciation for Captain's authority, you'll be a talented instrument pilot, you'll understand your value as a competent pilot and you'll be much, MUCH less likely to bite when management comes trolling for paycuts in exchange a bigger airplane.

That may not be the last time that the sweet siren song of SJS tempts you, but at least you'll be starting with a firm foundation.

Good luck! I'm proud of ya!
 
I was wrong Viper. Thats why I deleted it. He didn't have SJS. He was just a dork for creating a website about himself.

Being a dork ain't a crime. :)
 
BenderGonzales said:
I was wrong Viper. Thats why I deleted it. He didn't have SJS. He was just a dork for creating a website about himself.

Being a dork ain't a crime. :)
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I see you deleted the link.
 
BenderGonzales said:
I was wrong Viper. Thats why I deleted it. He didn't have SJS. He was just a dork for creating a website about himself.

Being a dork ain't a crime. :)
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Exactly. Nobody cares. I give the guy kudos for using his spare time creatively. At least he didn't go rob a drug store or something.
 
If the CFI's don't take the low paying jobs....who will?

Scope. Managment was/is going to hire vendors to operate RJ's. Let's use DAL. Could DAL ALPA negotiate that management use Comair to do everything.......except pilots.

Picture ASA and Comair as is, but with Delta pilots. From managements view, DAL pilots in ASA/CMR jets defeats, in part, the low cost use of a vendor.

It is a very complex mutli faceted issue. There are no easy solutions. Trying to black and white the issue and blame a certian type of pilot is ignorant. It is the easy way out for the "I just fly my trip and go home" pilot.
 

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