Seniority has everything to do with longevity

[MCDU]

DOH does not apply to mergers?
Most mergers have always been DOH and about every regional has merged based on DOH. BEX and Eagle, Piedmont and Allegheny, Air Wisconsin and MAX. The list goes on. All mergers with DOH work out. PSA US AIR, US AIR Piedmont, Republic and NWA etc. DOH mergers with conditions and protections far outway this crazy concept of relative seniority. Delta now even wants to take it a step further and use size of planes to further dilute your seniority. Alpa merger policy is a disaster. Kind of like when ALPA carriers started allowing jets to be outsourced. ALPA and many pilots do not see the big picture. Its all about me and how I can leapfrog my fellow Union pilot.

M

 

[m80drvr]

DOH does not apply to mergers?
Most mergers have always been DOH and about every regional has merged based on DOH. BEX and Eagle, Piedmont and Allegheny, Air Wisconsin and MAX. The list goes on. All mergers with DOH work out. PSA US AIR, US AIR Piedmont, Republic and NWA etc. DOH mergers with conditions and protections far outway this crazy concept of relative seniority. Delta now even wants to take it a step further and use size of planes to further dilute your seniority. Alpa merger policy is a disaster. Kind of like when ALPA carriers started allowing jets to be outsourced. ALPA and many pilots do not see the big picture. Its all about me and how I can leapfrog my fellow Union pilot.


M

You got that right MCDOOSSSHH

It's all about unemployed pilots jumping ahead of pilots that brought a job the the merger. You are smarter than I though.

 

[MCDU]

What jobs? The ones the West are losing. Your jobs are are like fake money. Worthless.
AWA would be gone by now without USAIR. Your unemloyed pilots have no right to our flying. Min. Fleet and min. Block hours. Thats what we brought and that is what our pilots get. You have no right to displace our pilots with your lousy job. LAS and PHX is what you get.

Your jobs at the time of merger were going away, because you bases bring no value to the airline. Low yield markets and low yield jobs. We saw this coming.
Thats why we were never going to allow a Nic award to see the day. It does not protect our jobs.

M

 

[Metrojet]

Spin and propaganda from the East. Sure hope you gave that detailed Law Encyclopedia definition to your East MEC when they argued the East position in front of the arbitrator in the Fall of 2007. Mmmm, let's see, that's already decided. Who cares how you feel as an individual – the agreed to “binding arbitration” is over. See you in court. Out West, Integrity matters.

Here's a closing thought for you. Legal Briefs were filed in North Carolina this week and USAPA is arguing to have the injunction preventing the West furloughs thrown out of court. IE, USAPA and the company, have the same position … trying to prevent the WEST from stopping the "out of order" furloughs ... Your Union and the company acting together to permit the furloughs of the West Pilots. Man your UNION is a piece of work.

MK82 -

not to re-hash, but there are seperate contracts under which "two pilot groups" operate (and of course I do not want to see anybody EAST or WEST on the street).

ON a different issue, but same path - why is it OK that a 12 year Captain at the WEST, makes more than a 12 year Captain at the EAST - based on your thinking - I would assume that you feel that is legally wrong also?? And please don't take the question as an attack on your view.

Metrojet

 

[imacdog]

Getting a little too much sun exposure out in Charlotte?

 

[becket]

Your jobs at the time of merger were going away, because you bases bring no value to the airline. Low yield markets and low yield jobs. We saw this coming.
Thats why we were never going to allow a Nic award to see the day. It does not protect our jobs.

M

LOW YIELD JOBS????!!! Coming from an EAST GUY???

You work for Mesa wages! You, your commuter airline, and your commuter airline contract are the laughing stock of this industry worldwide.

You're not in a position to "allow" anything to happen. When have you ever been able to "allow" what you like? Was it during the multiple massive paycuts? How about during the forfeiture of your pension? When ''negotiating" LOA 93 and the mind splitting concessions therein?

Did you allow the First run through bankruptcy or the SECOND?

You're in charge of deciding how hard to kick your dog when you get home from another crappy Utica overnight...that's all.

 

[MCDU]

There you are. I knew that post would get you to write something.

Thanks
becket u the man

M

 

[MCDU]

LOW YIELD JOBS????!!! Coming from an EAST GUY???

You work for Mesa wages! You, your commuter airline, and your commuter airline contract are the laughing stock of this industry worldwide.

You're not in a position to "allow" anything to happen. When have you ever been able to "allow" what you like? Was it during the multiple massive paycuts? How about during the forfeiture of your pension? When ''negotiating" LOA 93 and the mind splitting concessions therein?

Did you allow the First run through bankruptcy or the SECOND?

You're in charge of deciding how hard to kick your dog when you get home from another crappy Utica overnight...that's all.

becket,
You are stuttering. Check BP ASAP.

M

 

[becket]

becket,
You are stuttering. Check BP ASAP.

M

Laughing hysterically and stuttering can look similar on your monitor. It's the former. BP checks normal.

 

[reepicheep]

DOH does not apply to mergers?
Most mergers have always been DOH

Most mergers don't involve airlines with 17-year pilots on the street.

 

[reepicheep]

Your jobs at the time of merger were going away, because you bases bring no value to the airline. Low yield markets and low yield jobs. We saw this coming.
Thats why we were never going to allow a Nic award to see the day.

M

Not quite....these jobs were not going away until the carrier with the highest costs in the industry, fresh out of BK #2, contaminated the west with usair cancer. Once that malignancy had taken over, I would say these jobs were indeed going away, and will continue to go away, now that unit costs are 2 1/2 times what they were at America West.

I agree with the second part of your post and in fact believe that the inevitabillity of losing the west again was integral to the usair pilots' strategy. While the foolishly optimistic west pilots (unlike the east who were conditioned by 15 years of misery) were initially upbeat about the combined airlines' prospects the east knew better; they knew what happens to anything that touches usair and embarked on a, so far, wildly successful strategy of delaying at all costs the integration of the two carriers.

Face it. The east won.

 

[MCDU]

becket, I am glad your BP is good.

Good luck

M

 

[Dizel8]

AWA would be gone by now without USAIR.

Actually, I think most other airlines CEO's were expecting USAir to fold, AWA, with financial backing, managed to keep you alive.

Trying to rewrite history to make you feel better about the krap you are spouting?

 

[Deadalus]

What jobs? The ones the West are losing. Your jobs are are like fake money. Worthless.
AWA would be gone by now without USAIR. Your unemloyed pilots have no right to our flying. Min. Fleet and min. Block hours. Thats what we brought and that is what our pilots get. You have no right to displace our pilots with your lousy job. LAS and PHX is what you get.

Your jobs at the time of merger were going away, because you bases bring no value to the airline. Low yield markets and low yield jobs. We saw this coming.
Thats why we were never going to allow a Nic award to see the day. It does not protect our jobs.

M

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAA! Now I know just how clueless you really are. US Air would have been long liquadated before AWA even made it into bankruptcy. I'm begining to understand why you guys think you deserve everything under the sun, you're out of touch with reality. You guys really thought an impartial arbitrator was going to give you DOH, didn't you. BWAAAAHHAAAAAAAHAAAA!

 

[Scope out RJ's]

What jobs? The ones the West are losing. Your jobs are are like fake money. Worthless.
AWA would be gone by now without USAIR. Your unemloyed pilots have no right to our flying.

STOP THE PRESS!
What flying are you referring to MCDUSH?
You claim right here not to even be a US Airways pilot:
http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?p=848465#post848465



http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?p=848322#post848322


Then of course here you claim to be a United pilot!

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?p=1224345#post1224345

Min. Fleet and min. Block hours. Thats what we brought and that is what our pilots get. You have no right to displace our pilots with your lousy job. LAS and PHX is what you get.

What WE doosh bag? You are NOT A US AIRWAYS PILOT! YOU SAID SO YOURSELF!

Your jobs at the time of merger were going away, because you bases bring no value to the airline. Low yield markets and low yield jobs. We saw this coming.
Thats why we were never going to allow a Nic award to see the day. It does not protect our jobs.

M

Its very funny when you talk of low yeild jobs. Last time I checked US Airways were the lowest paid pilots in the industry! LOWER than those dreaded AWA pilots.

MCDU- A PFT kinda guy who's just one airline strike away from his next job!