Scab Stories

[Swass]

Are you serious? You dorks would put your family on the streets in order not to cross the "line"?

We need a priority check on aisle nine please.....

 

[Hugh Jorgan]

Are you serious? You dorks would put your family on the streets in order not to cross the "line"?

We need a priority check on aisle nine please.....

No, we don't put our family on the streets in order to not cross the line. We mix paint at Home Depot. We drive a cab. We flip bugers. We do whatever we have to to feed our family within the confines of the LAW and WITHOUT crossing the line.
Might one suggest not living beyond one's means in the first place. That means not buying a house that one can't make a payment on come first hiccup in the freaked out industry in which we work?

 

[dukeaviator]

No, we don't put our family on the streets in order to not cross the line. We mix paint at Home Depot. We drive a cab. We flip bugers. We do whatever we have to to feed our family within the confines of the LAW and WITHOUT crossing the line.
Might one suggest not living beyond one's means in the first place. That means not buying a house that one can't make a payment on come first hiccup in the freaked out industry in which we work?

You, my friend, must be rich by forcasting the next big disaster or in your words...."hiccup"!

 

[Hugh Jorgan]

You, my friend, must be rich by forcasting the next big disaster or in your words...."hiccup"!

I'm no Karnak, but I fully expect fluctuations. Save a few bucks when the times are good, it might keep you from "needing" to stoop to the lowest level when times go sour...they certainly will. Those who plan for storms weather them the best.

 

[dukeaviator]

Save a few bucks when the times are good

Generally every responsible family does this. Famous quote...Expect the worst, but hope for the best! But the one thing you can not expect is how long the worst will last. If you have that much money save for the worst...or your words "hiccup"...why do you need to work???

it might keep you from "needing" to stoop to the lowest level when times go sour

If stooping to the lowest level means keeping a roof over family's head or food in your children mouth and clothes on their back so be it....I think any sensible person with their prioties in place would agree!

...they certainly will. Those who plan for storms weather them the best

you must be retired with all the money you have save for the next big crisis....Have you planned for the economic oil meltdown...thats just over the horizon

 

[Cardinal]

I'm not "rich," so I can't help but spend every cent I earn and it's not possible to prepare for inevitable ups and downs and I'm too lazy and arrogant to work at Home Depot for a while like Hugh suggested so I'll just cross the line (for similar pay and less time at home - wouldn't be a strike if the work rules didn't suck) and screw my brothers and sisters cause it's NOT MY FAULT!:crying:

 

[n5374f]

All Pilots are Scabs

I remember being a copilot on a G4 and was the next to upgrade to Captain and had 500 hours in type. We were short on copilots. United had mass layoffs. A furloughed United Pilot came to the company and interviewed. Told the company that if he was given the Captain Position on the G4 he would pay for his own type rating which he did and I lost my slot at the Captains seat and had to leave the company to get upgraded. The boss told me he saved $25,000 because the United Guy offered to buy his own type and work for $10,000 less then what I was offered. Is it not true that a Scab takes someone's job. By the way this person is back at United as a Captain. I can't wait for United to have a strike so I can be the first one to Scab there. I would love to take his job on the 737. What comes around goes around. Like I said when pilots are hungry they are all scabs

 

[n5374f]

Other types of scabs

How about Chief Pilots at ALPA carriers like Champion that screw their fellow pilots in order to look good to upper management, buts sits in the bar with other pilots telling them how he is one of them and still maintains his active standing with ALPA is that not being a SCAB. You guys talking about SCABS should get over it. When you are confronted with a way to get ahead at someone else's expense you'll scab its a pilots nature.

 

[Hugh Jorgan]

If you have that much money save for the worst...or your words "hiccup"...why do you need to work???

There are no stupid questions, only stupid people.

If stooping to the lowest level means keeping a roof over family's head or food in your children mouth and clothes on their back so be it....I think any sensible person with their prioties in place would agree!

Well, I think we can see what cloth the author of this line is cut from. Any person who has scabbing as an acceptable option to their situation, will certainly find a way to justify it in their own eyes and do so. Take it off your plate of options, and any sensible person will find a way to "keep a roof (the one beyond your means?) over your family's head or food in childrens mouth and clothes on their back."

Have you planned for the economic oil meltdown...thats just over the horizon

Yes, as a matter of fact. My plans include losing my job. Is that likely for me? No, but I am prepared for the eventuality. Scabbing certainly isn't part of my plan,though. And you?

Incidently, I don't think oil will be the likely culprit of me finding myself on the street so much as legislation allowing foreign ownership of airlines.

 

[bubbers44]

All scabs have their special case that in their mind justifies their actions. Don't bother to listen to them. It isn't worth wasting your time. It is the same as stealing because you needed the money. Finding another job was a bother.

 

[IFollowRoads]

Not really an airline story per se, but I remember as a child the machinists where my dad worked went on strike two months before the end of a contract to convert 6 old fighters into drones for the air force. In ten months, the entire work force had managed to complete one aircraft. The program manager and 5 engineers (my dad being one of them) drove through that picket line every morning. In two months those 6 guys completed the other 5 aircraft. Freekin hilarious.

 

[Hugh Jorgan]

The program manager and 5 engineers (my dad being one of them) drove through that picket line every morning. In two months those 6 guys completed the other 5 aircraft. Freekin hilarious.

My dear old dad, the scab. Yes, scabs generally are more productive. They aren't bound by those little pesky things such as contractual duty day limitations, rest time, etc.

 

[IFollowRoads]

My dear old dad, the scab. Yes, scabs generally are more productive. They aren't bound by those little pesky things such as contractual duty day limitations, rest time, etc.

My dad wasn't a scab. As an engineer, he wasn't covered by any of the collective bargaining agreements.

And when the next contract came in on some helicopters, the company allowed for the machinists requirements, the machinists came back to work, and they all lived happily ever after

 

[Hugh Jorgan]

I misunderstood. Sorry about that.

 

[BigFlyr]

No sure about continental folks (way before my time). But I wont take any *************************s pilots on my js. bite me.

FD

Not unless they look like your avtar, right?

 

[L-1011-500]

I once jumpseated on a UAL flight when I worked at ATA. The Captain introduced himself then the Engineer to me. As I stood in the cockpit talking to them the FO came in and the Captain said this is the SCAB. There's no talking to the scab in the cockpit. I let out an involuntary laugh as it sounded so weird. But by the stern look I got I knew it was for real. We flew the whole leg and there was no conversation at all with the SCAB. At the time I thought holy crap that's pretty harsh. Just the whole dynamic in the cockpit was unsettling.

But then after 9-11 when I got to do a tour at some real under belly freight operators in the south Florida area I got to fly with ALOT of scabs. Even worked for them as the DO was one at one place. Now I have taken a much harder stance on how I personally feel. These are guys that crossed a line and took other guys jobs. If the whole group of pilots is going to strike and you cross then you have to pay the price for that descision. It doesn't matter if you had a huge mortgage or little susie needed braces. You turned your back on all your co-workers to benefit yourself. So if you get treateed like crap from the guys who stood up and took the high road then Boo friggin Hoo. Most of the ones(90%) I met flying in South Florida were the same ones who would do whatever the company said and screw you over in a second to benefit them. So I definitely believe once a scab always a scab. If I was at Continental or United I would be pissed too to have to fly with them. So I now understand why the Captain acted the way he did that day.

Also a union is only as good as it's membership. I have been a Teamster and I have been ALPA. If I had a choice I still think ALPA had the better tools for you to work with when it came time to go toe to toe with the company. Yes it was disheartening to know that if you weren't a legacy airline that rhymes with UNITED it seemed as ALPA just took your money. But I personally didn't see anything at Temasters that impressed me much. Again let me state a union is only as good as it's membership.

P.S. Plus ALPA has a better magazine then the one I used to get from Teamsters that had riveting articles about the plight of Shopping Cart Welders Local 45 not getting a new coffe machine!

 

[big_al]

Im not too familiar with the past, but I understand the anti-scab mentality. I just feel so bad though, for people treated like the devil because they, for various reasons, crossed the line. Do you think treating them like subhumans is somehow going to change something? Theyve realized their mistakes, now let them live, and be nice to each other.

 

[vtwo]

NO a SCAB is a SCAB. treating one differently is like saying the child molester that raped your daughter is sorry, so now get along with him.

SCAB = SCUMB

 

[Hugh Jorgan]

I just feel so bad though, for people treated like the devil because they, for various reasons, crossed the line. Do you think treating them like subhumans is somehow going to change something? Theyve realized their mistakes, now let them live, and be nice to each other.

Booo-freaking-hoo. Forgive a scab today, encourage four more tomorrow. NEVER FORGET. Shame on ALPA for allowing those who have crossed back into the fold.

 

[bubbers44]

ALPA wants the dues coming in. They showed their true colors on that one. Wish I could get the assesments I spent on the Continental strike back now that they have taken the scabs back in. We spent the money to fight the scabs then ALPA took the scabs back in to get the dues.