Santulli's visit to SC?

[Sparse]

The problem is, this contract takes a very shortsighted approach to getting it by only guaranteeing it to the current pilots. Keep in mind that after a couple years, there will be lots of new, pissed off pilots wanting to know why the chosen few gets fly from home and the others have to live at five horrible gateways. It arbitrarily creates a group of haves vs. a group of have-nots and it's determined solely by date of hire. .

You are precisely correct. Years ago the ailrine industry tried a similar approach with creating a two tiered (b) pay scale. The industry is still reaping the results of that fiasco. Soon the former "B" scale pilots outnumbered the "A" scalers. Guess what, they took over the union and they never got over being considered second class citizens. Allowing this to infiltrate their contract will backfire on the "A" domicilers, sooner rather than later.

 

[G4dude]

This is sad. It hasn't even been a week since the TA was reached (with full and enthusiastic union support); it hasn't even been voted on; and already people want MORE.

IF there is a trojan horse in the TA as milehigh suggests, then I think (as I suggested in another thread) maybe it's not so much an issue of NJI employees getting onboard with the union and paying their dues, as much as it is NJA employees getting rid of the union. This'll make the second group, at least in the last two years, that has failed to represent you guys adequately.

I suspect the majority of NJA pilots are happy with the new agreement though, and rightly so. Of course, I could be wrong. If I am, you REALLY should try going without a union; I promise you, employer-employee relations can be GOOD without one.

A perfect post! I agree one hundred percent! Bravo!

 

[be-400xpdriver]

Right, fly from home is one of the best things the fractional industry has going for it. The problem is, this contract takes a very shortsighted approach to getting it by only guaranteeing it to the current pilots. Keep in mind that after a couple years, there will be lots of new, pissed off pilots wanting to know why the chosen few gets fly from home and the others have to live at five horrible gateways. It arbitrarily creates a group of haves vs. a group of have-nots and it's determined solely by date of hire. Unions always seem to be on sharp lookout for union busting measures, but this is a trojan horse that they're apparently avoiding because of the pay raise. I think NetJets wanted this arrangement because they know that in four years it's going to be a 50/50 split and they won't have to worry about facing a unified pilot group.

I'm glad that you're happy with the TA. Because I live near a gateway, I'll still most likely apply when I meet the mins. But keep this in mind, your TA has a trojan horse in it and it will come to haunt you.

13.1(b) Home Base Airport Participation
The Company may limit Crewmember participation in the Home Base Airport system to thirty (30) percent of the total number of Crewmembers on the most current seniority list, including crewmembers who have relinquished Home Base Airport rights pursuant to Section 13.2(b). Such percentage may be less than thirty (30) percent if crewmembers designate Domiciles, or more than thirty (30) percent because of grandfather rights as defined in Section 13.1(a).

It does not say that they will limit to 30% put that they may limit it. If they cant get enought new hires who volunter to live in CMH,DAL,LAX,TEB or PBI then the company will not have enough pilots and have to cave in and give new hires FFH. No where does it say that new hire HAVE to live in the domiciles just that the pilots on property will not be subject to the 30% limitation. I bettting they cant find enough pilots to move for just 39000 and no chance of bypass unless they want to lower the hiring mins. so that 500 hour cfi's qualify. My advise for people who interview and get the job offer and are told to move to TEB domicile just tell them thank you but you cant accept the job if you are required to move and you will accept the job if you can still live in MCO.

 

[zman300]

"If I am, you REALLY should try going without a union; I promise you, employer-employee relations can be GOOD without one."


Spoken like a true believer

Well of course! It's just my opinion, based on my experience. I did say "...I could be wrong. If I am...." I mean, if NJA employees still aren't happy and they think their union reps are STILL selling them short, they need to try something else; something that might work. That's just common sense, isn't it?

 

[zman300]

A perfect post! I agree one hundred percent! Bravo!

Well thank you; thank you very much! I have my moments

 

[RTRHD]

Hello all, Just ckecking everything out.

 

[SeaSpray]

For someone who doesn't even work there, COLONEL, you sure have a big mouth. Stop embarrassing yourself.

-Just another "under-qualified," ex-military Netjets Captain.

I get it, Captain. You sound like a former Army Warrant Officer with a high school education and a built-in resentment for Commissioned Officers who's just all giddy to be flying something where the wings don't move faster than the fuselage. Give it a break, Chief.

 

[Frac Daddy]

You are precisely correct. Years ago the ailrine industry tried a similar approach with creating a two tiered (b) pay scale. The industry is still reaping the results of that fiasco. Soon the former "B" scale pilots outnumbered the "A" scalers. Guess what, they took over the union and they never got over being considered second class citizens. Allowing this to infiltrate their contract will backfire on the "A" domicilers, sooner rather than later.

Bingo!

 

[TurboJetCpt]

I get it, Captain. You sound like a former Army Warrant Officer with a high school education and a built-in resentment for Commissioned Officers who's just all giddy to be flying something where the wings don't move faster than the fuselage. Give it a break, Chief.

As a retired commissioned officer, I am very embarrassed FOR you. Your type gives us all a bad name. Some lucky young, non-military, aviator will end up in a cockpit with you while you spew out your self important, OVERLY QUALIFIED, self righteous GARBAGE. I hope he/she puts you in your place COLONEL OVERQUALIFIED.

We have MANY academy graduates here who have flown for the Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines and Coast Guard. Are we all under-qualified too COLONEL ? You need to do a little RESEARCH before you sh*t all over YOURSELF. Some of the best pilots I have ever flown with have never flown a military airplane. Military training doesn't make you "better" or "safer," but you'll learn that eventually. Please keep your promise and do NOT apply at Netjets; we are extremely happy with your decision.

 

[axeman]

Santulli

No word from SC regarding the Santulli visit on ouor website or pagers. I think that we're all looking for information regarding how the dust will settle on this one... we know you guys want to fly the G's, and we want to keep things the same... time will tell.

 

[SeaSpray]

As a retired commissioned officer...

Doubtful, you are not literate enough to be a commissioned officer in any service. Your screen name is even a proclamation of ignorance - no modern airplane uses a "TurboJet."

I am very embarrassed FOR you. Your type gives us all a bad name. Some lucky young, non-military, aviator will end up in a cockpit with you while you spew out your self important, OVERLY QUALIFIED, self righteous GARBAGE. I hope he/she puts you in your place COLONEL OVERQUALIFIED.

Were I you, I would be embarrassed for myself and the hysterical posts I was making.

We have MANY academy graduates here who have flown for the Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines and Coast Guard.

Yes, but you're not one of them are you, Chief?

You need to do a little RESEARCH before you sh*t all over YOURSELF.

Well spoken by an officer and gentleman by an act of Congress.

I received your juvenile PM. All that shows is that my posts concerning you are on the mark. Now, as I suggested before - give it a break, mister.

 

[TurboJetCpt]

Now, as I suggested before - give it a break, mister.

OR WHAT ? LMAO now !!!!!!!!!

You are very sad. As for PM's, I have never PM'd you. Either you are mistaken or you are lying. It really doesn't matter though, you have truly shown your ass. Just stay away from Netjets. Thanks.

 

[AA717driver]

SeaSpray--TurboJet has earned his stripes in this business--that is, outside of the military. You haven't.

Maybe you should wait 'til you have a couple of years in the 91 world to re-examine your position. JMO.TC

 

[xpdriver]

First off.. The gateway thing....Why should we give up something for this...The company will not be able to get as many people as they want and will have to change it,,Without us giving anything for it...Second If I were a NJI guy I would be pissed,Not at NJA but RTS. He throw you guys under the bus. He has been telling you guys all these years that everything will be ok, don't worry about the union or NJA. Now to get this thing done. He said ok screw NJI...Just remember NJI guys there is a possiblity that you will be part of NJA so all the bad mouthing and trash talking better stop. It will be my vote that puts you on the bottom of the list or somewhere else...But then again we may not win it,,We will see...

Third all this union bashing...If you don't like the union then don't apply to NJA..Its that simple...I'm going to give up a 47% raise ,big retro, FFH AND FREE MEDICAL so some guy i don't know can live in BFE..PLEASE What would you do to support your family, give all that up for me..

 

[RTRHD]

To qualify as a NetJets Aviation (Citation, Hawker, Falcon, Gulfstream 200, Boeing aircraft) pilot candidate you must have the following prerequisites:

• Airline Transport Pilot Certificate
• Current FAA First Class Medical certificate
• 2500 hours total pilot time
• 500 hours fixed wing multi-engine time
• 250 hours instrument time

NetJets International (Gulfstream large cabin aircraft) Pilot Requirements:

• Airline Transport Pilot Certificate
• Current FAA First Class Medical certificate
• 5000 hours total pilot time
• 500 Gulfstream hours

Looks to me like NJA is an entry level position. (500 hrs. Multi) (250 hrs. instrument, Betcha some guys had to add hood time to get that)

just an observation.......

 

[FLYLOW22]

Looks to me like NJA is an entry level position. (500 hrs. Multi) (250 hrs. instrument, Betcha some guys had to add hood time to get that)

just an observation.......

Yeah. I flew with hood on all of the time in the Boeing and the Airbus. Hell, for giggles we would request a practice ILS when going into LAX all the time.

 

[wolfpackpilot]

for giggles we would request a practice ILS when going into LAX all the time.

Oh man my gut hurts from laughing so hard. I’m on a self-imposed moratorium from posting, but I gotta give you a plug, that was funny!

 

[RTRHD]

Hey FLYLOW

Just curious, why did you take the job if it did not pay what you wanted? I don’t want to piss anybody off but I did not even apply to NJA because I did not like the salary. I understand being out of work, but why try to mess with other guys just because I don’t make enough.

 

[TurboJetCpt]

Hey FLYLOW

Just curious, why did you take the job if it did not pay what you wanted? I don’t want to piss anybody off but I did not even apply to NJA because I did not like the salary. I understand being out of work, but why try to mess with other guys just because I don’t make enough.

9/11...

 

[RTRHD]

9/11...

OK,I was in the same boat.