S5 E-170 upgrade @ 6/04

[SkyBoy1981]

I'll buy you dinner at the rainbow room the next time an XJT pilot upgrades in year one. Infact, I will buy dinner for everyone reading this thread the next time an XJT pilot upgrades in year one.

Nope, it won't happen...you know why? Because its a better place to work. Generally thats how it goes. We're all going to be stuck flying RJ's for a while, so it might as well be at a place with good QOL and plenty of work rules. If the pay is the same, then who gives a damm what type of airplane it is.

 

[SF340Guy]

Nope, it won't happen...you know why? Because its a better place to work. Generally thats how it goes. We're all going to be stuck flying RJ's for a while, so it might as well be at a place with good QOL and plenty of work rules. If the pay is the same, then who gives a damm what type of airplane it is.

Yeah, it has nothing to do with the fact that CAL has you scoped at an airframe limitation.

 

[boxjockey]

No, it has to do with the fact that almost any ExpressJet pilot you ask, would rather see larger equipment at mainline. Why do you think so many people are staying here versus going to CAL? Same reason why there are so many lifers at Comair. They are both great places to work. How many people do you think will stay around RP because it's such a great place to work?

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[SkyBoy1981]

Yeah, it has nothing to do with the fact that CAL has you scoped at an airframe limitation.

As I said already, our pay is already higher for the 50 seat than yours is for the 70 seat, with the exception of Captains with 4th year or higher pay. That doens't even include work rules...do you have to call crew scheduling when you finish a trip on reserve? If you lose a day off do you get it restored AND get credited for your flying at 150% for a minimum of 3.75 for that day off lost? You guys go to Canada and the Bahamas right? How much do they pay you to clear customs when you get back to home base? Do you get leg by leg pay? Hows that profit sharing check look? The list goes on and on....

 

[SF340Guy]

No, it has to do with the fact that almost any ExpressJet pilot you ask, would rather see larger equipment at mainline. Why do you think so many people are staying here versus going to CAL? Same reason why there are so many lifers at Comair. They are both great places to work. How many people do you think will stay around RP because it's such a great place to work?

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Well if everyone is staying there then why see the larger planes @ the mailine? So you can use your vote to help feed someone elses family? Yeah, sign me up for that. If you are staying there then get the larger planes, more leverage for your next negotiations.

Now, that said, I am not for the 190 @ RAH, I do want to go to a mainline carrier, so that was the original intention of this thread, was that I would get my PIC time faster so my "Competative Mins" would rise quicker. Bigger planes @ mainline = more jobs for me, and my counterparts with PIC time.

Skyboy, I do have 4th year pay!!! This post was not to say, "Yeah...WOOHOO for me."

 

[SkyBoy1981]

Skyboy, I do have 4th year pay!!! This post was not to say, "Yeah...WOOHOO for me."

Then how the hell are you bragging about such a quick upgrade? You make it sound as though you were hired last year and are due for upgrade training. XJT upgrades are about to drop from 4 years to 2 years overnight once we reach the hiring gap following 9/11. It sounds to me as though I will be a Captain quicker than you were, so perhaps I should be the one bragging.

 

[SF340Guy]

Then how the hell are you bragging about such a quick upgrade? You make it sound as though you were hired last year and are due for upgrade training. XJT upgrades are about to drop from 4 years to 2 years overnight once we reach the hiring gap following 9/11. It sounds to me as though I will be a Captain quicker than you were, so perhaps I should be the one bragging.

I wasn't bragging, actually I was giving information, and then I was forced to defend my pilot group as a whole. BTW looks like I got the name wrong, the most recent upgrade that I now know of was actually the 2/27/04 class guy that is actually in training as of a month or so ago So four months diff, here come the beatings. Sorry for the miss information, I can admit when I am wrong.

 

[Stingman]

As a CHQ/Shuttle America captain, I want to apologize on behalf of the immature postings by a few of our pilots. For whatever reason, a few from our ranks feel the need to post taunting messages on this forum. Quick upgrade? Well congratulations, but please do not brag about it because in the end, no one really cares.

 

[low-key]

My sentiments exactly. No one gives 2 shoots if youre an RJ captain or the head Barista at Starbucks making Double Chai mocha latte swirls with a double shot. IF this is what you have to brag about then you are a loser and unfotunately for me I probably never had the oppurtunity to belittle you as my FO and put you where you belong. You probably need put in your place just like half the other rejects I get to deal with on a regular basis. Get a life ToolBag

 

[BenderGonzales]

Low-Key says, "I probably never had the oppurtunity to belittle you as my FO and put you where you belong. You probably need put in your place just like half the other rejects I get to deal with on a regular basis"

ummm... ok "Sky-King". Sounds like you're probably everybody's favorite Captain too....

 

[LowlyPropCapt]

Quick upgrade? Whoopty F#ckin doo. It isn't like FEDEX is going to be pounding down your door at 1000 PIC. As a matter of fact, I am pretty sure FEDEX won't give two thirds of a purple fu#k about your 1000 PIC. There are plenty of highly qualified non boneheads out there for them to hire.

Besides, working for the wages you do in an aircraft the size of the EMB-170, you are helping to reduce the number of major airline jobs that you want so dearly. Somebody above said it just right. NW flies the baby -9 (same size) for double the coin. Any CHQ, REP or S5 pilot who would brag about this situation is a moron.

Don't forget some of you shiny new airplanes are coming from US Airways without the pilots that should be flying them. What goes around comes around, and you CHQ/REP/S5 folks will get yours. Count on it.

 

[3blade]

Quick upgrade? Whoopty F#ckin doo. It isn't like FEDEX is going to be pounding down your door at 1000 PIC. As a matter of fact, I am pretty sure FEDEX won't give two thirds of a purple fu#k about your 1000 PIC. There are plenty of highly qualified non boneheads out there for them to hire.

Besides, working for the wages you do in an aircraft the size of the EMB-170, you are helping to reduce the number of major airline jobs that you want so dearly. Somebody above said it just right. NW flies the baby -9 (same size) for double the coin. Any CHQ, REP or S5 pilot who would brag about this situation is a moron.

Don't forget some of you shiny new airplanes are coming from US Airways without the pilots that should be flying them. What goes around comes around, and you CHQ/REP/S5 folks will get yours. Count on it.

Hey I'd be pissed If I was still flying a Dash-8 myself man, right on brotha!

 

[E170Guppykiller]

Quick upgrade? Whoopty F#ckin doo. It isn't like FEDEX is going to be pounding down your door at 1000 PIC. As a matter of fact, I am pretty sure FEDEX won't give two thirds of a purple fu#k about your 1000 PIC. There are plenty of highly qualified non boneheads out there for them to hire.

Besides, working for the wages you do in an aircraft the size of the EMB-170, you are helping to reduce the number of major airline jobs that you want so dearly. Somebody above said it just right. NW flies the baby -9 (same size) for double the coin. Any CHQ, REP or S5 pilot who would brag about this situation is a moron.

Don't forget some of you shiny new airplanes are coming from US Airways without the pilots that should be flying them. What goes around comes around, and you CHQ/REP/S5 folks will get yours. Count on it.

Actually Northwest retired the last of the baby DC-9s so your statement is invalid! Hah!

 

[bitememesa]

You Aren't the Only Ones with SJS

Freedom offered a CA upgrade to a guy with a 08/04/2004 DOH on the ERJ.

 

[BenderGonzales]

The DC9-30 is configured for 100 seats.

So these 190s you intend on getting.... you're going to get paid how much again?

You know -- nobody would have any problem with you getting a 100+ passenger airplane if you had compensation, work-rules, and benefits that were appropriate to a 100+ passenger airplane.

Comparing yourself to Jetblue is foolish. Their E190 payrates are garbage.

Go ahead and compare yourself to Northwest!! Get the book rates from US Airways and Continental (the DC9 and similar sized aircraft still exist in both of their PWAs)

Go fly the E190 -- but don't let Bedford build a major airline from your blood, sweat, and tears. Take a stand! Tell the guy that you're professional airline pilots and that you'd be HAPPY to fly the E190, the MD80, the 757, or the Dreamliner -- as long as he provides you with the pay and benefits deserved by pilots flying that equipment.

 

[E170Guppykiller]

Freedom offered a CA upgrade to a guy with a 08/04/2004 DOH on the ERJ.

Why would you or anyone get on that guys case for upgrading? You must be afraid to upgrade because you think you can't pass an ATP and type check. I'm not, bring on that ugrade baby!

 

[LowlyPropCapt]

Why would you or anyone get on that guys case for upgrading? You must be afraid to upgrade because you think you can't pass an ATP and type check. I'm not, bring on that ugrade baby!

Yawn... More flamebait.

Go to sleep F*ckstick. You're mom wants you to help her clean the trailer in the morning.

 

[cpierse]

Why would you or anyone get on that guys case for upgrading? You must be afraid to upgrade because you think you can't pass an ATP and type check. I'm not, bring on that ugrade baby!

Here's a great example of the internet - any idiot with a computer can shoot his mouth off and talk a bunch of smack to people who otherwise would never listen. There's a reason airlines interview people, and clowns like this will never ever make it past an interview board at a major airline. Just ignore and it will go away.

 

[BlackPilot628]

To much flamebait. SF340 don't mess it up for us that enjoy working for CHQ/SA/RP. Yes, Life is pretty good here right now. Quick upgrades, QOL, no reserve time, and 15 to 19 days off your first month after IOE. But, don't throw it in peoples faces. It may and won't be like this forever. Times will more than likely change at some point. XJT and Comair are great companies and they have it just as good as we do along with a kick as$ contract.You're making the whole group look bad.

Relax!

 

[Axel]

When these wunderkinde (340guy, guppykiller, arthur, et al) are given command of jets it is going to start raining aluminum. Too young, cocky and stupid to even know what they don't know. They are dangerous in the most literal and serious sense of the word.

The more they quack, the clearer it becomes.

 

[BenderGonzales]

We were all that young, cocky, and stupid at one time. We just didn't have the internet yet!

...and back then instead of SJS I had SSS. (Shiny Saab Syndrome)

 

[SlapShot]

Give these guys a break - I am sure you would be happy too if you were in their position... They've been flying the SLAAB 340 for awhile and deserve a good break - and that E170 is an awesome airplane.

The SAAB guys are not on the 170 yet. Not until after arbitration.

 

[E170Guppykiller]

The DC9-30 is configured for 100 seats.

So these 190s you intend on getting.... you're going to get paid how much again?

You know -- nobody would have any problem with you getting a 100+ passenger airplane if you had compensation, work-rules, and benefits that were appropriate to a 100+ passenger airplane.

Comparing yourself to Jetblue is foolish. Their E190 payrates are garbage.

Go ahead and compare yourself to Northwest!! Get the book rates from US Airways and Continental (the DC9 and similar sized aircraft still exist in both of their PWAs)

Go fly the E190 -- but don't let Bedford build a major airline from your blood, sweat, and tears. Take a stand! Tell the guy that you're professional airline pilots and that you'd be HAPPY to fly the E190, the MD80, the 757, or the Dreamliner -- as long as he provides you with the pay and benefits deserved by pilots flying that equipment.

Actually when the BK judge gets through with them the Northwest pilots won't be making much more than we are, so take that we fly for peanuts garbage somewhere else. I bet you won't be bitching at Northwest for flying too cheap.

 

[boxjockey]

Nobody cares if you fly an 70 or 100 seat aircraft. Things change daily in this industry, and maybe this is part of the re-alignment. The point everyone is trying to make is that because of your payrate on that size of equipment, along with your workrules, is the reason all of this flying is coming to you guys. Ok, so you get your 1000 turbine PIC. The major airline job you are going after will be that much worse BECAUSE YOU ARE WILLING TO WORK AT THOSE RATES.

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[OPECJet]

Well said.

 

[Axel]

We were all that young, cocky, and stupid at one time. We just didn't have the internet yet!

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That much is true, but that is not the only difference. Eventually, the NTSB will explain it all in painful detail.

 

[Stick Man]

Fellow Airline pilots,
Who are SF340Guy + kngarthur? If you know, PM me and the CHQ blanket parties will begin!

Fellow CHQ,SA,RP pilots,
I am filling my pillow case with bars of soap as we speak. Join me in providing a welcome to SF340Guy and kngarthur.

Moderators,
Of course, I am only joking and I would never ask for any fellow flightinfo member to pm me with member details or names. That would be a violation of posting rules and I could get put in the penalty box, so please don't take the above offer as a real request.

SM

 

[GFunk20]

Why so much about the E-170? What about the CRJ-700/900 or Avrojet??

I guess Comair/Eagle/Mesaba/PSA, etc. are doing the same thing then huh?

Get a life guys.

 

[cl604driver]

you regional guys are so funny. i drink my beer and laugh at all you. I make 3 more dollars a hours than you, and chq, ae, sa suck, and all yof your comment about different regional to each other. To funny. I turned down jobs with chq, skywest, ae, and sa because of all this bullsh$t and i did not want to have to live on wellfare and food stamps. so enjoys you guys.

 

[boxjockey]

you regional guys are so funny. i drink my beer and laugh at all you. I make 3 more dollars a hours than you, and chq, ae, sa suck, and all yof your comment about different regional to each other. To funny. I turned down jobs with chq, skywest, ae, and sa because of all this bullsh$t and i did not want to have to live on wellfare and food stamps. so enjoys you guys.

Wow Mr. Learjet dude. Glad to hear that you have an awesome corporate gig. Turned down FOUR different regionals because you didn't want to deal with that sh!t? Well gee wiz, if your job is so good, why in the hell did you go to all of the interviews? Listen man, I grew up around corporat aviation. My father was a corporate pilot for 30 years. I know a lot of pilots in corporate aviation. Let me get those bags for you sir. Of course I can have the plane ready at 2am, even though you plan to leave at noon. Do you take two cubes of ice or three with your diet coke? Granted, there are some truly good gigs out there, and maybe you are fortunate enough to have one of those, but the majority are not that way. I'll take my peanut wages, drag my bag to the airplane, drag it home, and leave my job at the airport. No politics for me to get involved in. No he said, she said. Soapbox relinquished.

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