S5 E-170 upgrade @ 6/04

[SkyBoy1981]

I'll buy you dinner at the rainbow room the next time an XJT pilot upgrades in year one. Infact, I will buy dinner for everyone reading this thread the next time an XJT pilot upgrades in year one.

Nope, it won't happen...you know why? Because its a better place to work. Generally thats how it goes. We're all going to be stuck flying RJ's for a while, so it might as well be at a place with good QOL and plenty of work rules. If the pay is the same, then who gives a damm what type of airplane it is.

 

[SF340Guy]

Nope, it won't happen...you know why? Because its a better place to work. Generally thats how it goes. We're all going to be stuck flying RJ's for a while, so it might as well be at a place with good QOL and plenty of work rules. If the pay is the same, then who gives a damm what type of airplane it is.

Yeah, it has nothing to do with the fact that CAL has you scoped at an airframe limitation.

 

[boxjockey]

No, it has to do with the fact that almost any ExpressJet pilot you ask, would rather see larger equipment at mainline. Why do you think so many people are staying here versus going to CAL? Same reason why there are so many lifers at Comair. They are both great places to work. How many people do you think will stay around RP because it's such a great place to work?

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[SkyBoy1981]

Yeah, it has nothing to do with the fact that CAL has you scoped at an airframe limitation.

As I said already, our pay is already higher for the 50 seat than yours is for the 70 seat, with the exception of Captains with 4th year or higher pay. That doens't even include work rules...do you have to call crew scheduling when you finish a trip on reserve? If you lose a day off do you get it restored AND get credited for your flying at 150% for a minimum of 3.75 for that day off lost? You guys go to Canada and the Bahamas right? How much do they pay you to clear customs when you get back to home base? Do you get leg by leg pay? Hows that profit sharing check look? The list goes on and on....

 

[SF340Guy]

No, it has to do with the fact that almost any ExpressJet pilot you ask, would rather see larger equipment at mainline. Why do you think so many people are staying here versus going to CAL? Same reason why there are so many lifers at Comair. They are both great places to work. How many people do you think will stay around RP because it's such a great place to work?

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Well if everyone is staying there then why see the larger planes @ the mailine? So you can use your vote to help feed someone elses family? Yeah, sign me up for that. If you are staying there then get the larger planes, more leverage for your next negotiations.

Now, that said, I am not for the 190 @ RAH, I do want to go to a mainline carrier, so that was the original intention of this thread, was that I would get my PIC time faster so my "Competative Mins" would rise quicker. Bigger planes @ mainline = more jobs for me, and my counterparts with PIC time.

Skyboy, I do have 4th year pay!!! This post was not to say, "Yeah...WOOHOO for me."

 

[SkyBoy1981]

Skyboy, I do have 4th year pay!!! This post was not to say, "Yeah...WOOHOO for me."

Then how the hell are you bragging about such a quick upgrade? You make it sound as though you were hired last year and are due for upgrade training. XJT upgrades are about to drop from 4 years to 2 years overnight once we reach the hiring gap following 9/11. It sounds to me as though I will be a Captain quicker than you were, so perhaps I should be the one bragging.

 

[SF340Guy]

Then how the hell are you bragging about such a quick upgrade? You make it sound as though you were hired last year and are due for upgrade training. XJT upgrades are about to drop from 4 years to 2 years overnight once we reach the hiring gap following 9/11. It sounds to me as though I will be a Captain quicker than you were, so perhaps I should be the one bragging.

I wasn't bragging, actually I was giving information, and then I was forced to defend my pilot group as a whole. BTW looks like I got the name wrong, the most recent upgrade that I now know of was actually the 2/27/04 class guy that is actually in training as of a month or so ago So four months diff, here come the beatings. Sorry for the miss information, I can admit when I am wrong.

 

[Stingman]

As a CHQ/Shuttle America captain, I want to apologize on behalf of the immature postings by a few of our pilots. For whatever reason, a few from our ranks feel the need to post taunting messages on this forum. Quick upgrade? Well congratulations, but please do not brag about it because in the end, no one really cares.

 

[low-key]

My sentiments exactly. No one gives 2 shoots if youre an RJ captain or the head Barista at Starbucks making Double Chai mocha latte swirls with a double shot. IF this is what you have to brag about then you are a loser and unfotunately for me I probably never had the oppurtunity to belittle you as my FO and put you where you belong. You probably need put in your place just like half the other rejects I get to deal with on a regular basis. Get a life ToolBag

 

[BenderGonzales]

Low-Key says, "I probably never had the oppurtunity to belittle you as my FO and put you where you belong. You probably need put in your place just like half the other rejects I get to deal with on a regular basis"

ummm... ok "Sky-King". Sounds like you're probably everybody's favorite Captain too....

 

[LowlyPropCapt]

Quick upgrade? Whoopty F#ckin doo. It isn't like FEDEX is going to be pounding down your door at 1000 PIC. As a matter of fact, I am pretty sure FEDEX won't give two thirds of a purple fu#k about your 1000 PIC. There are plenty of highly qualified non boneheads out there for them to hire.

Besides, working for the wages you do in an aircraft the size of the EMB-170, you are helping to reduce the number of major airline jobs that you want so dearly. Somebody above said it just right. NW flies the baby -9 (same size) for double the coin. Any CHQ, REP or S5 pilot who would brag about this situation is a moron.

Don't forget some of you shiny new airplanes are coming from US Airways without the pilots that should be flying them. What goes around comes around, and you CHQ/REP/S5 folks will get yours. Count on it.

 

[3blade]

Quick upgrade? Whoopty F#ckin doo. It isn't like FEDEX is going to be pounding down your door at 1000 PIC. As a matter of fact, I am pretty sure FEDEX won't give two thirds of a purple fu#k about your 1000 PIC. There are plenty of highly qualified non boneheads out there for them to hire.

Besides, working for the wages you do in an aircraft the size of the EMB-170, you are helping to reduce the number of major airline jobs that you want so dearly. Somebody above said it just right. NW flies the baby -9 (same size) for double the coin. Any CHQ, REP or S5 pilot who would brag about this situation is a moron.

Don't forget some of you shiny new airplanes are coming from US Airways without the pilots that should be flying them. What goes around comes around, and you CHQ/REP/S5 folks will get yours. Count on it.

Hey I'd be pissed If I was still flying a Dash-8 myself man, right on brotha!

 

[E170Guppykiller]

Quick upgrade? Whoopty F#ckin doo. It isn't like FEDEX is going to be pounding down your door at 1000 PIC. As a matter of fact, I am pretty sure FEDEX won't give two thirds of a purple fu#k about your 1000 PIC. There are plenty of highly qualified non boneheads out there for them to hire.

Besides, working for the wages you do in an aircraft the size of the EMB-170, you are helping to reduce the number of major airline jobs that you want so dearly. Somebody above said it just right. NW flies the baby -9 (same size) for double the coin. Any CHQ, REP or S5 pilot who would brag about this situation is a moron.

Don't forget some of you shiny new airplanes are coming from US Airways without the pilots that should be flying them. What goes around comes around, and you CHQ/REP/S5 folks will get yours. Count on it.

Actually Northwest retired the last of the baby DC-9s so your statement is invalid! Hah!

 

[bitememesa]

You Aren't the Only Ones with SJS

Freedom offered a CA upgrade to a guy with a 08/04/2004 DOH on the ERJ.

 

[BenderGonzales]

The DC9-30 is configured for 100 seats.

So these 190s you intend on getting.... you're going to get paid how much again?

You know -- nobody would have any problem with you getting a 100+ passenger airplane if you had compensation, work-rules, and benefits that were appropriate to a 100+ passenger airplane.

Comparing yourself to Jetblue is foolish. Their E190 payrates are garbage.

Go ahead and compare yourself to Northwest!! Get the book rates from US Airways and Continental (the DC9 and similar sized aircraft still exist in both of their PWAs)

Go fly the E190 -- but don't let Bedford build a major airline from your blood, sweat, and tears. Take a stand! Tell the guy that you're professional airline pilots and that you'd be HAPPY to fly the E190, the MD80, the 757, or the Dreamliner -- as long as he provides you with the pay and benefits deserved by pilots flying that equipment.