S Turns in a 737

[Indapool]

Capt. Kaos overshoots final..misses the centerline..makes a LOUSY x-wind landing..and drops the masks because of the impact..

Yup nice job.

 

[FlyJordan]

Looked just fine for the wind in my professional opinion.

 

[Angus]

Isn't it great how inexperienced, inquisitive pilots can come to this forum and ask harmless questions of more experienced pilots without the fear of being accosted and ridiculed?

The guy had an innocent question based on the video he found. He wasn't making accusations. Looks like a pretty hairy approach to me too - well executed by the pilot.

nptguy, I hope this doesn't discourage you from raising more questions for the pilots on this forum - most of whom would be happy to answer you in a polite and thoughful manner. (just don't get too technical, otherwise you'll immediately be accused of being a terrorist.)

Yeah right.... okay....... and Rush Limbaugh is just an anxious Liberal.

Maybe you're that placid... but I'm not. Just because a post has a question mark at the end... does not mean that a legit "question" is being asked. Here is an example.... "are you really that gullible"? See I put a question mark... but thats not a question because we all know the answer to that.

The poster was not "asking a question", he was trying to start a fire about something stupid.... and he knows it..... but you just haven't figured it out yet.

 

[FADECtoBLACK]

If I could find some logic in there, I'd argue it... but that's not why I posted.


I am just pointing out the fact that a huge chunk of the posts on this board end up with the poster being burned at the stake for bringing the subject up.

Granted, many of the posts are intended as flame-bait. But when a student pilot with 55 hours posts some video of a 737 pilot opting for the "firm" landing rather than a go-around, he/she has a legit curiosity as far as I'm concerned.

Shouldn't it be our place (as more experienced pilots) to explain the many additonal considerations the pilot of a 737 has when going around as opposed to the one extra time around the patch he'd have to do in his Cherokee?

Again, not in it for the fight... I just get tired of the frequent attacks that occur when people throw out legitimate questions for the users of this online community.

As a past instructor, I've seen this attitude in "real life" and its a horrible impression to make on people just starting out in aviation. I know it's a cliche, but there's no such this as a dumb question. Is it necessary to belittle a person for asking a question that is not a blatant flame?

A good pilot is always willing to help out other pilots - especially newbies. After all, someone was there to help each and every one of us when we were newbies.

 

[cart]

The approach was what it was (we've all been there); but the crosswind touchdown and rollout was very poorly executed. My guess is the pilot's never flown a taildrager... thousands of hours and missed the basics!

 

[nptguy]

Thanks FADECtoBlack, in no way was I trying to start a "flame Thread"

 

[KeroseneSnorter]

Looked like a normal DAL landing to me!!!





Kidding aside, with 7000 ft runways, steeper than normal turning approaches and water at the end, SOP for LGA is a firm landing in the best of conditions. No room to make it pretty, pick where the tires are going to touch and make sure they touch....if it rolls on, great, if it is placed firmly, great.

I left a nice divot in that runway with a 73 on a rainy windy day once....Errrr, I mean, I skillfully exercised the main gear struts to remove the rust build up from months of disuse due to greaser landings!!! **Whew almost blew my super pilot image!!**

He was a little whoppyjawed on the touchdown though. Probably a management pilot!!

 

[Angus]

Since you seem to suffer from short term memory loss... let me remind you and repost your original post.

Do airlines use this ,or is this just for smaller airplanes? I would think it would be eaiser to go missed approach, instead of scaring the passengers to death.

Thanks FADECtoBlack, in no way was I trying to start a "flame Thread"

Once again... how do you know that they scared the passengers to death.... and why would you post such a video if you hadn't already preconcieved the stupid idea that something was wrong?

You can play all innocent now... but most of us are smart enough to see what a putz you are by starting this thread.

You can always delete it you know.... considering "you don't want to start a "flame thread".... and the fact you're all nieve and innocent..

 

[secks]

Something tells me this hit pretty close to home for Angus. Cool video, though .. looked like a wild ride at the end there.

 

[fastandlow]

What the heck, based on all the qualified commenters above, I'll throw in my opinion....

S turns are one thing, but this cat was way too skewed off centerline crossing the fence for a 100 - 150,000 lb jet transport. nasty! Looks like some classic China Airlines or Bangkok Airways flying to me.

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[TurboS7]

LGA Expressway Visual, You come in from the South Pick up the Mesbeth tanks follow the expressway around Shea Stadium and land. Passengers were too interested in watching the Mets ball game to notice the dish out on final. Wind looks like it is blowing 25 to 35 knots. He got the job done but I sure wouldn't go as far as saying nice job.............

 

[EagleRJ]

LGA Expressway Visual, You come in from the South Pick up the Mesbeth tanks follow the expressway around Shea Stadium and land. Passengers were too interested in watching the Mets ball game to notice the dish out on final. Wind looks like it is blowing 25 to 35 knots. He got the job done but I sure wouldn't go as far as saying nice job.............

The Maspeth gas tanks used to be great landmarks for this visual (400' tall), but they were blown up a year or two ago. There was even a show about the demolition on the Discovery Channel.

And no, I don't spend too much time on the sofa in the crashpad!

 

[TurboS7]

Guess I am dating myself. Oh well.

 

[C-150ETOPS]

"S turns are one thing, but this cat was way too skewed off centerline crossing the fence for a 100 - 150,000 lb jet transport. nasty! Looks like some classic China Airlines or Bangkok Airways flying to me."

Looking at the video again, it looks more like an overshoot after getting 40kts tailwind as he turned base then overshot. It's still less than pretty and gets near the type of approach one should avoid.

You should ride the jumpseat of a 190,000 lb 757 into Tegucigalpa Honduras. Left base in a 30 Deg bank <200' above the houses. I've seen people in showers, having dinner and can almost make out the subtitles on the TV they're watching.

 

[leterrip]

Question What are the Two white tanks that you use now then for 31 Express Visual at LGA? and I know ATC has asked me to blow through final for sapcing there before