S Turns in a 737

[nptguy]

Thanks FADECtoBlack, in no way was I trying to start a "flame Thread"

 

[KeroseneSnorter]

Looked like a normal DAL landing to me!!!





Kidding aside, with 7000 ft runways, steeper than normal turning approaches and water at the end, SOP for LGA is a firm landing in the best of conditions. No room to make it pretty, pick where the tires are going to touch and make sure they touch....if it rolls on, great, if it is placed firmly, great.

I left a nice divot in that runway with a 73 on a rainy windy day once....Errrr, I mean, I skillfully exercised the main gear struts to remove the rust build up from months of disuse due to greaser landings!!! **Whew almost blew my super pilot image!!**

He was a little whoppyjawed on the touchdown though. Probably a management pilot!!

 

[Angus]

Since you seem to suffer from short term memory loss... let me remind you and repost your original post.

Do airlines use this ,or is this just for smaller airplanes? I would think it would be eaiser to go missed approach, instead of scaring the passengers to death.

Thanks FADECtoBlack, in no way was I trying to start a "flame Thread"

Once again... how do you know that they scared the passengers to death.... and why would you post such a video if you hadn't already preconcieved the stupid idea that something was wrong?

You can play all innocent now... but most of us are smart enough to see what a putz you are by starting this thread.

You can always delete it you know.... considering "you don't want to start a "flame thread".... and the fact you're all nieve and innocent..

 

[secks]

Something tells me this hit pretty close to home for Angus. Cool video, though .. looked like a wild ride at the end there.

 

[fastandlow]

What the heck, based on all the qualified commenters above, I'll throw in my opinion....

S turns are one thing, but this cat was way too skewed off centerline crossing the fence for a 100 - 150,000 lb jet transport. nasty! Looks like some classic China Airlines or Bangkok Airways flying to me.

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[TurboS7]

LGA Expressway Visual, You come in from the South Pick up the Mesbeth tanks follow the expressway around Shea Stadium and land. Passengers were too interested in watching the Mets ball game to notice the dish out on final. Wind looks like it is blowing 25 to 35 knots. He got the job done but I sure wouldn't go as far as saying nice job.............

 

[EagleRJ]

LGA Expressway Visual, You come in from the South Pick up the Mesbeth tanks follow the expressway around Shea Stadium and land. Passengers were too interested in watching the Mets ball game to notice the dish out on final. Wind looks like it is blowing 25 to 35 knots. He got the job done but I sure wouldn't go as far as saying nice job.............

The Maspeth gas tanks used to be great landmarks for this visual (400' tall), but they were blown up a year or two ago. There was even a show about the demolition on the Discovery Channel.

And no, I don't spend too much time on the sofa in the crashpad!

 

[TurboS7]

Guess I am dating myself. Oh well.

 

[C-150ETOPS]

"S turns are one thing, but this cat was way too skewed off centerline crossing the fence for a 100 - 150,000 lb jet transport. nasty! Looks like some classic China Airlines or Bangkok Airways flying to me."

Looking at the video again, it looks more like an overshoot after getting 40kts tailwind as he turned base then overshot. It's still less than pretty and gets near the type of approach one should avoid.

You should ride the jumpseat of a 190,000 lb 757 into Tegucigalpa Honduras. Left base in a 30 Deg bank <200' above the houses. I've seen people in showers, having dinner and can almost make out the subtitles on the TV they're watching.

 

[leterrip]

Question What are the Two white tanks that you use now then for 31 Express Visual at LGA? and I know ATC has asked me to blow through final for sapcing there before

 

[TurboS7]

At EAL TGU was the one line that I could hold with no problem. I used to do TGU month after month 15 times each month. That was before they cut down the mountain. Fun and games, I enjoyed it though.

I helped check out AA on the run, Matt Orion was the management pilot's name.

 

[enigma]

Question What are the Two white tanks that you use now then for 31 Express Visual at LGA? and I know ATC has asked me to blow through final for sapcing there before

The tanks are not the Maspeth tanks, the Maspeth tanks were demolished. But, the blinking controllers seem to have lost the memo. The tanks in question are smaller and slightly west of DIALS. They are depicted on the Expressway visual chart as nothing more than a topographical object. Still the controllers insist upon clearing you direct to the tanks, even at night when you can't see the darn things. I just Dial in DIALS into the FMS and punch direct.

enigma

 

[leterrip]

The tanks that are depicted on the chart are the Maspeth tanks or are they those little white ones I used last time?

 

[NoahWerka]

S-turns can be a normal maneuver for any airplane. With 17,000 hours in every thing from a C-150 to a 737 to a J31 to a BE58 I have found that IF done smoothly nobody in the back of the A/C will know what is happening. "Been there, done that" as the old cliche goes. A good pilot knows the limitations of his aircraft and is not afraid to fly it to those limitations. He also has to know his own personal limitations and not be afraid to fly them to the limit. If one is flying an aircraft and CANNOT fly it from the low end of the airspeed indicator to the top end in all configurations appropriate to the speeds, then sooner or later he WILL hurt himself and somebody else. It is called Airmanship.
As for people getting flamed on this board, some of the questions asked by people who have been through pilot training, from PVT- ATP, totally amaze me. Anybody who has been through any kind of pilot training should not have to ask these questions. They should KNOW where to find the answer for themselves. If they can't, they are asking for a violation, or worse. Granted the only stupid question is the one not asked, but what hapened to COMMON SENSE?

 

[minitour]

...what hapened to COMMON SENSE?

They don't teach that one...

-mini

 

[OrphicSeth]

The approach was what it was (we've all been there); but the crosswind touchdown and rollout was very poorly executed. My guess is the pilot's never flown a taildrager... thousands of hours and missed the basics!

It's really incredible the amount of pilots--amateur and professional-- out there who don't use their feet!

Expressway visual, lots of fun!

 

[enigma]

It's really incredible the amount of pilots--amateur and professional-- out there who don't use their feet!

Expressway visual, lots of fun!

And after AA587, the big Bus that lost it's horizontal stab, there are even fewer big iron pilots who use their feet. Unfortunate, but true.

I still have a hard time believing that the FO used full rudder and full reversal three to five times that day, but the outcome is that we now know transport catagory rudders/vertical stabs are not as strong as we thought. In consideration, I've most certainly modified my ideas on rudder usage. However, I do still use rudder to make crosswind landings.

One more thing, the video was of a "hoover". CFM engined 737's don't have a lot of room between the lower cowling and the ground. You can't just set up a nice forward slip. After watching the video again, I think he did a fine job. Everbody's breathing, not bleeding, what more do you want?

enigma

 

[xjcaptain]

Everbody's breathing, not bleeding, what more do you want?

enigma

ummm.........at least the level of technique that a new PVT pilot should be able to attain in crosswind landigs? As said before, maybe some tailwheel time might be a good investment. Safe, but not exactly easy on the equipment or passengers with that amount of crab/sideload at touchdown.

 

[Immelman]

To all of us spam can pilots it looks like he botched the x-wind landing. I can understand how people say that. However, we spam can guys don't know how a 737 works. I was told that certain ones have castering main gear, a design trade-off given the engine nacelle ground proximity? If so it seems like the pilot did a fine job...

 

[enigma]

ummm.........at least the level of technique that a new PVT pilot should be able to attain in crosswind landigs? As said before, maybe some tailwheel time might be a good investment. Safe, but not exactly easy on the equipment or passengers with that amount of crab/sideload at touchdown.

Sorry that my attempt at humor was lost on you. If your profile is correct, you should recognize that crosswind landings in a wing mounted engine transport catagory jet are somewhat different than crosswind landings in most aircraft a new PVT pilot might fly. BTW, I'll assume that you've landed at LGA, and should know that a nice touchdown is only one of numerous considerations a professional pilot needs consider when arriving there.

enigma