rumors from both NWA and DAL about 717

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I have heard rumors from friends at both DAL and NWA about the creation(NWA) of a 717 training program and the possible if not probable acquisition(DAL) of 717s, any truth or validity for these rumors or is it all speculation?
 
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If its 717's they want, I guess its a good thing that NWA owns a large part of midwest...
 
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Interesting times. I think that our neighbor on Concourse C would be willing to let a few go.
 
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Heck if they take MEH's jets I am sure that there will be quite the fight to put them on the combined list.
 
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ACL65PILOT said:
Heck if they take MEH's jets I am sure that there will be quite the fight to put them on the combined list.
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Why? We're not merging with MEH. We've taken delivery of 17 AA B757s and there has been no fight to put AA pilots on the combined list. World took delivery of most all of our MD-11s and there was no fight to combine the lists. NWA has some old EAL DC-9s and there was no fight to put Eastern pilots on the list. Airlines sell aircraft to other airlines all the time with no requirement to merge work forces.
 
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Well the rumor over here on concourse C is that up to 25 additional 717's have been added to our certificate. The captain I am flying with knows some Airtran FAA guy that claims the rumor is true. Also there have been numerous articles claiming Boeing will do everything they can to keep Airtran alive, including extremely cheap leases on 717's that are becoming available. (Airtran leases 77 717's from Boeing) Unless there we a significant amount of 717's available, I wouldn't think it would be a benfefit a non 717 carrier (Delta/NWA).
 
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funnyman12 said:
Well the rumor over here on concourse C is that up to 25 additional 717's have been added to our certificate. The captain I am flying with knows some Airtran FAA guy that claims the rumor is true. Also there have been numerous articles claiming Boeing will do everything they can to keep Airtran alive, including extremely cheap leases on 717's that are becoming available. (Airtran leases 77 717's from Boeing) Unless there we a significant amount of 717's available, I wouldn't think it would be a benfefit a non 717 carrier (Delta/NWA).
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Gotta love the I know somebody who knows somebody information. That is about as reliable as the info from the NPA. Oh yeah we just sold a 717 to hawaii.
 
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Had an FAA jumpseater telling me Airtran applied for Cat III certification on 15 717's. Somethings going on.
 
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funnyman12 said:
Well the rumor over here on concourse C is that up to 25 additional 717's have been added to our certificate. The captain I am flying with knows some Airtran FAA guy that claims the rumor is true. Also there have been numerous articles claiming Boeing will do everything they can to keep Airtran alive, including extremely cheap leases on 717's that are becoming available. (Airtran leases 77 717's from Boeing) Unless there we a significant amount of 717's available, I wouldn't think it would be a benfefit a non 717 carrier (Delta/NWA).
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Thanks for the laugh!
 
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FDJ true, but those are airframes being sold. We could do that as well, but it is a little different with the transaction equates to the closure of the company.
 
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meanstreak said:
Had an FAA jumpseater telling me Airtran applied for Cat III certification on 15 717's. Somethings going on.
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How do you apply for CAT III certification on airplanes you do not own or lease? That would be a neat trick.
 
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Why? We're not merging with MEH. We've taken delivery of 17 AA B757s and there has been no fight to put AA pilots on the combined list. World took delivery of most all of our MD-11s and there was no fight to combine the lists. NWA has some old EAL DC-9s and there was no fight to put Eastern pilots on the list. Airlines sell aircraft to other airlines all the time with no requirement to merge work forces.
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.....possibly because it would be the right thing to do if you want to build solidarity and a true union....Nevermind....You're right....This "association" wouldn't know solidarity if it bit them in the A$$....
 
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JoeMerchant said:
.....possibly because it would be the right thing to do if you want to build solidarity and a true union....Nevermind....You're right....This "association" wouldn't know solidarity if it bit them in the A$$....
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There are already mutually acceptable plans in place for MEH, as well as Compass.

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JoeMerchant said:
.....possibly because it would be the right thing to do if you want to build solidarity and a true union....Nevermind....You're right....This "association" wouldn't know solidarity if it bit them in the A$$....
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ALPA doesn't buy and sell airplanes or pilots.
 
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ACL65PILOT said:
FDJ true, but those are airframes being sold. We could do that as well, but it is a little different with the transaction equates to the closure of the company.
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That would depend on the nature of the transaction and the contractual language in the respective PWAs.
 
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FDJ2 said:
That would depend on the nature of the transaction and the contractual language in the respective PWAs.
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....as opposed to a real union that takes care of other members of said union.....

We only take care of each other if the contract says we have to.......
 
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JoeMerchant said:
....and each "unit" within ALPA does what is best for themselves.....
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Each "unit" is made up of pilots that want their airline to succeed. This means other airlines wont succeed. It's the free market. There is no job guarantee in any industry even heavily unionized industries.

How would you handle the pilots of a dying airline that is selling its aircraft or goes chapter 7 or is no longer competitive and must shrink.
 
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