*Rumor* OO/EV to start "at risk" Florida flying?

[Bako Cap]

Baronman,

Not management, just my opinion (like that amounts to much). But I needed to add, you guys are lucky to operate under a CBA unlike us. If ASA goes the way of PBS and/or multi-qual, MAKE IT WORTH IT!

 

[Baronman]

I'm not an ASA pilot but I find it funny that they are sold on the fact that if they don't do what management suggests, they'll "lose out" on future flying.

I suggest that in the end it will be whatever company floats UAL the most cash that will fly for them. If during the process, management can convince you to PBS, flying various types, they'll do so.

 

[Medeco]

Thats easy, SKWY has the most cash to float.

Most ASA pilots that have been here more than 4 yrs(majority) are not falling for the must have PBS to get more flying. Most ASA pilots are smart enough to know that PBS will save the company big money and in turn could help the company in RFP's.

Most ASA pilots also know that we are in a position to negotiate PBS unlike 99% of the pilot groups out there that had it shoved down their throat. We are actually going to see what our committee hammers out, see it in side by side bidding, and vote on whether we like it or not.

Medeco

 

[wms]

At-risk is not necessarily branded. It just means that costs that were once passed through are covered by the contracted carrier.

 

[www.]

I'll confirm that ASA people will be very happy in a few weeks. Seriously.

Medeco

Not just IAD.

 

[jstyle13]

I'll confirm that ASA people will be very happy in a few weeks. Seriously.

Medeco

I would hold my breath but I ran out of air and suffocated along time ago..... Hope your right though.

 

[amcnd]

I think the key is SkyWest is getting more into the "pro-rate" market. (more risk but more reward) they have grown the marketing department, and are realy focusing on cost. I think what ever happens in the future "pro-rate" will have a huge part in it. Also I think ASA, once they get there cost under control will also enter this "pro-rate" game.

 

[Speedtape]

SH can only answer when its official. Ask him about LA basing when that was going on. The answer was absolutely not. A week later, LA opened. MGMT can only comment when comment with facts when the deal is done. Thats why they are management. If they were pilots, they'd be on flightinfo like everyone else spreading rumors. There are significant issues that go on with an RFP, specifically regarding confidentiality until all parties are privy to the agreements.

Some of them are on Flightinfo like everyone else spreading rumors!

 

[Speedtape]

I'm not an ASA pilot but I find it funny that they are sold on the fact that if they don't do what management suggests, they'll "lose out" on future flying.

I suggest that in the end it will be whatever company floats UAL the most cash that will fly for them. If during the process, management can convince you to PBS, flying various types, they'll do so.

My screen name is Speedtape, and I approve of this message!

 

[flyrunner80]

O.k. sorry about bringing this thread back to life but I hear ASA can expect an announcement Oct 15th about flying for United out of IAD. 5 planes will start flying in December and 10 more will be put in the system in January 2010 (only 200's). So far only 15 are to fly and not 20.

 

[LazyLightnin']

O.k. sorry about bringing this thread back to life but I hear ASA can expect an announcement Oct 15th about flying for United out of IAD. 5 planes will start flying in December and 10 more will be put in the system in January 2010 (only 200's). So far only 15 are to fly and not 20.

Say, hypothetically, this were to turn true (which I'm almost certain it will), explain how this will, if at all, affect the current displacements.

 

[flyrunner80]

Nothing will change. Because ASA would have displaced and furloughed more if flying was not found for the 20 200's. What I hear......only 15 200's were going to fly for United.

 

[atlcrjdriver]

O.k. sorry about bringing this thread back to life but I hear ASA can expect an announcement Oct 15th about flying for United out of IAD. 5 planes will start flying in December and 10 more will be put in the system in January 2010 (only 200's). So far only 15 are to fly and not 20.

This would be great but the 20 200s don't come out of the DL system until Spring.

 

[LazyLightnin']

This would be great but the 20 200s don't come out of the DL system until Spring.

No more "hot spares".

 

[701EV]

I thought Jerry Atkin stated " you can't make any money with a small base". That's what he told our SLC based crews a few years back.

701EV

 

[Stifler's Mom]

I thought Jerry Atkin stated " you can't make any money with a small base". That's what he told our SLC based crews a few years back.

701EV

I remember that. It was right before SKW opened a small ATL base.

 

[Medeco]

This would be great but the 20 200s don't come out of the DL system until Spring.

This is true, but likely a compromise during the initial negotiation on DAL's part to give ASA a fair chance to find a new home. Nothing would stop them from coming out early if both parties agreed. Remember, DAL wants less 200's in the system.

Medeco

 

[JumpersAway]

I'm hearing rumblings that DAL might not want to cut the 200's loose after all. From what I'm understanding it was an "Option" for DAL to pull those airframes, and they may come from Comair, rather than ASA. This would explain a lot of rumblings as to why "Comair isn't going to like us in a year".

Unfortunately for Comair, the smaller they get, the more expensive they get, and the circle goes round and round........... At some point, I expect to see Comair get whittled down to the point that it's no longer economical for them to operate their fleet of 700's/900's- any guesses who will end up with them. I hate to see it, and I don't share any joy in it, but it's the way the business model is set up now. Until we, as a collective industry wide and wholey united pilot group stop it, it will continue to be like this for years to come. Shufflying flying from one carrier to another when cost gets to be an issue. Frankly, shy of a single DCI seniority list, I don't expect this to ever change.

As for the displacements/furloughs- no impact what so ever. We are set up now as though the 20 airframes weren't going away. We haven't prematurely adjusted for their parking. If we don't find flying for these airframes, expect lines, and downgrades to get far worse. Everybody is going to take a bite of the sandwich- senior to junior, if this doesn't pan out.

 

[79%N1]

I remember that. It was right before SKW opened a small ATL base.

Because JA is an effing liar!

 

[EngineOut]

Because JA is an effing liar!

NOT TRUE!

He cannot be. He told me I was very valuable and he was happy to see me! Don't tell me he wasn't being honest! I don't think I can take it!

 

[crj567]

NOT TRUE!

He cannot be. He told me I was very valuable and he was happy to see me! Don't tell me he wasn't being honest! I don't think I can take it!

Gosh-

He told me the same thing.... He then told Gen Lee to "go and f*ck himself!"

-JA can't be all bad-he sure figured out what a bag of crap Gen Lee is.

 

[Cpt Oveur]

Look at the job postings page. Why is ASA hiring flight attendants?

 

[LazyLightnin']

Look at the job postings page. Why is ASA hiring flight attendants?

High turnover from bitter reserve FA's quitting. They've been on reserve for a couple of years and are extremely abused.

 

[spudskier]

High turnover from bitter reserve FA's quitting. They've been on reserve for a couple of years and are extremely abused.

+1 have you ever spoken with one of your FAs, other than about seating locations and closing the door!? THey're severely under-staffed, over-worked, more and more keep quitting since they've been on reserve for years now without any movement WHILE being understaffed and working VERY full 4-day trips. (think 5, 4, 6, 5) It's not safe to have them as exhausted and overworked as they are. (and no I'm not married to, in a relationship with or boinking one of them)

 

[Stifler's Mom]

1​

st 6 mos. $16.50
2nd 6 mos. $17.84
2nd year $20.35
3rd year $21.97
4th year $23.48
5th year $25.00
6th year $26.26
7th year $27.02
8th year $27.78
9th year $28.53
10th year $29.40
11th year $29.72
12th year $30.46
13th year $31.22
14th year $32.00
15th year $32.80
16th year $33.62
17th year $34.46
18th year $35.33
19th year $36.21 ​

 

[ASA_Aviator]

1​

st 6 mos. $16.50
2nd 6 mos. $17.84
2nd year $20.35
3rd year $21.97
4th year $23.48
5th year $25.00
6th year $26.26
7th year $27.02
8th year $27.78
9th year $28.53
10th year $29.40
11th year $29.72
12th year $30.46
13th year $31.22
14th year $32.00
15th year $32.80
16th year $33.62
17th year $34.46
18th year $35.33
19th year $36.21 ​

Enough said. Wow.

 

[sunlitpath]

Maybe we will get some hot ones!

 

[sweptback]

Enough said. Wow.

Yeah, and as I understand it, ASA has a halfway decent FA contract too. I don't see how they live on that little money, especially if you're on reserve and only make guarantee.

 

[Data]

Yeah, and as I understand it, ASA has a halfway decent FA contract too. I don't see how they live on that little money, especially if you're on reserve and only make guarantee.

Most of the reserves I've been flying with have been crediting 90+. I don't see how they make it on that though, painful. But every time they start hiring they fill the seats...

 

[waterski45]

1​

st 6 mos. $16.50
2nd 6 mos. $17.84
2nd year $20.35
3rd year $21.97
4th year $23.48
5th year $25.00
6th year $26.26
7th year $27.02
8th year $27.78
9th year $28.53
10th year $29.40
11th year $29.72
12th year $30.46
13th year $31.22
14th year $32.00
15th year $32.80
16th year $33.62
17th year $34.46
18th year $35.33
19th year $36.21 ​

Yea, pretty bad. That said, at the top of the scale their payrate is higher than FOs at:

GoJet
Colgan
Lynx
TransStates
Mesa (Dash FOs)


They tie with FOs at Pinnacle (CRJ).


And pay $1/hour less than:

Republic
Piedmont
Mesa (Jet FOs)


...That's what's pathetic.