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Rumor has it that LOA 93 Arbitrator Has Ruled

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Reliable source in CLT? That's an oxymoron. When will they announce it? You think Parker will honor it? Honestly, if this is what it takes to unify the group and start moving us towards a contract, that's great.
 
Frankly it is a win for the west either way. LOA 93 win for the east = west growth. LOA 93 loss for the east = eastholes pulling their heads out of their asses and moving forward...finally...
 
Either divulge the source or apologize for lying. There are only so many people who work in the CP office at DCA, so who was it and can the story be corroborated.
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Two old bitter pilots that hate the world, the airline, the current and previous union, the opposite hemishere, each other, and the rest of life. There briefly seemed to be a glimmer of hope, like a diamond in a pile of sh!t, only to be destroyed by a dark, evil force known as a pilot's ego.

P.S.: I don't need to apologize for anything. Please read the title of this thread!
 
Dornier 335 said:
Two old bitter pilots that hate the world, the airline, the current and previous union, the opposite hemishere, each other, and the rest of life. There briefly seemed to be a glimmer of hope, like a diamond in a pile of sh!t, only to be destroyed by a dark, evil force known as a pilot's ego.

P.S.: I don't need to apologize for anything. Please read the title of this thread!
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Your right. It's just a rumor. I can not speak for the rest of the West pilot group, but I am not bitter. I am however SUPREMELY disappointed in the East pilot group for the following:

  1. Failing to abide by a final and binding arbitration that both sides agreed to, thereby causing us to legally defend our position.
  2. Attempting to sue 24+ West pilot (UNSUCCESSFULLY 2X with bias) of RICO charges. These vicious attacks were meant to get us to spend personal funds and bow to the DOH demands.
  3. Attempting to fire pilots for not paying union dues (the previous CBA had NEVER done that, I believe even Cleary owes ALPA $$).
  4. Failing to allow any West pilots to be in positions of leadership in the new union key committees (Merger, Contract, etc.).
  5. Screaming wolf regarding the alleged "data theft" that was no such thing.
  6. Paying a legal firm that promised a slam dunk w/ DOH over 10,000,000 in legal fees only to have bought delay in a new contract.
I thought there was no way the US Air pilot group could possibly make this merger any worse than the Northwest/Republic. The former US Air pilot group has made us surpass that by 10 fold.

We (the west) will sit & await the actual LOA 93 decision and the following results. The guy before me is right: It's a Win/Win for the West pilot group. East loses: Who knows what kind of reaction we will see? East wins: West becomes the cheaper labor source. Parker will do ANYTHING to not pay the snap back & he will do ANYTHING to dodge paying the snap back wages.

The have bought delay. They have cost us collectively HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS in wages, time off and contract improvements all for the cry of "It's not fair!". This will cement their place in airline labor history as the most obtuse group to ever.
 
If the pilots do in fact win LOA93, will the snap backs only apply to those east pilots on property when the letter was signed? I have a feeling that anyone hired afterwards on the east will be kept at the current payrates. After all, the E190 is excluded from LOA93. Any thoughts? Can you imagine? A and B scale on the east. Completely separate contract on the west; and a seniority dispute for the record books. I hope something good happens for you guys soon. A win here would be a start
 
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If the pilots do in fact win LOA93, will the snap backs only apply to those east pilots on property when the letter was signed? I have a feeling that anyone hired afterwards on the east will be kept at the current payrates. After all, the E190 is excluded from LOA93. Any thoughts? Can you imagine? A and B scale on the east. Completely separate contract on the west; and a seniority dispute for the record books. I hope something good happens for you guys soon. A win here would be a start
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LOA93 does not include the 190 so those rates stay the same, many of the 3rd listers are on group 2 planes though so they will see the restored pay rate
 
Great another month is passing without an answer from Kasher. This post is not about me thinking we'll win it because quite frankly I don't think we will. I've read many posts from pilots who think either way it goes will be a good thing and I agree with that. No matter how you feel about us eastinfections everyone on this board should be disgusted by this delay especially you guys that are so sure we'll lose. If you're that sure than it must be a really easy decision...so why can't an experienced arbitrator make up his mind?
 
Ocity said:
I'm not sure Kasher is the hold up.
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As I understand it when he has the first draft of the award he notifies both sides at the same time that it is ready for reading and comments. So if we got notified the same time as the company and the company told him "not now" we would know about it. If you are implying the company is bribing or otherwise pressuring him to not make his decision you should also be disgusted.
 
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As I understand it when he has the first draft of the award he notifies both sides at the same time that it is ready for reading and comments. So if we got notified the same time as the company and the company told him "not now" we would know about it. If you are implying the company is bribing or otherwise pressuring him to not make his decision you should also be disgusted.
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Not implying anything other than it seems it shouldn't take this long. It's been so long one can't help but wonder what the he'll might be going on behind the scenes. Something seems fishy to me.
 
Charlie-

Why aren't you demanding a recall of Cleary and Mowery for failure to carry out their duties and for failing to follow the C&BL's?

You do know they are the reason that your pay hasn't increased. And for those unlucky enough to get hired after the first 500 or so, you can expect to stagnate behind the "I GOT MINE" upgrading F/O's who will tell you to just wait 15 years or so, your time will come.
 
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Charlie-

Why aren't you demanding a recall of Cleary and Mowery for failure to carry out their duties and for failing to follow the C&BL's?

You do know they are the reason that your pay hasn't increased. And for those unlucky enough to get hired after the first 500 or so, you can expect to stagnate behind the "I GOT MINE" upgrading F/O's who will tell you to just wait 15 years or so, your time will come.
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Some say that I read USAPA's lies and BS and believe it all but that really isn't acurate. As a matter of fact the more I read the more unhappy with them I'm getting i.e. the letting go of Seeham, the in fighting on where our secretaries would sit a while back and some other things. I'm sure your happy with the Seeham thing and I'm sure you can understand that I might not be. I know you guys are 100% sure we will lose LOA 93 but try and understand we think there is a chance...small yes, but still a chance. In my opnion based on my line experience and jumpseating (often in the cockpit) to work, if you had the eastinfections (I love that!) vote to just accept the nic and get on with a new contract it would be voted down even if we recalled all USAPA officers. Could there be a change of heart by many of us once we learn we lost LOA 93? Possibly.
 
charlie2 said:
As a matter of fact the more I read the more unhappy with them I'm getting i.e. the letting go of Seeham, the in fighting on where our secretaries would sit a while back and some other things. I'm sure your happy with the Seeham thing and I'm sure you can understand that I might not be.
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Most of us are more bummed than you are about Cleary firing Seham.
 
charlie2 said:
Great another month is passing without an answer from Kasher. This post is not about me thinking we'll win it because quite frankly I don't think we will. I've read many posts from pilots who think either way it goes will be a good thing and I agree with that. No matter how you feel about us eastinfections everyone on this board should be disgusted by this delay especially you guys that are so sure we'll lose. If you're that sure than it must be a really easy decision...so why can't an experienced arbitrator make up his mind?
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I thought delay tactics were something the East pilots pride themselves in?
 

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