Rumor. American to hire by summer?

[LearLove]

If this MOU passes (on the AAA side) and the merger happens I don't think there will be much hiring for some time. Say 3 to 4 years.

Assuming a merger happens -- If the AAA side approves their MOU then any block hour and min fleet are gone. The scope in the AA side allows for more seats to be outsourced and PBI implementation will shrink needed crews also. Not to mention the stuff about xfering flying and base closures. Toss in the TWA guys who may come back if the SLI is favorable and whatever deal remains for the Eagle guys to come over and it looks like stagnation to me. I'm on the bottom now and will be for a very long time - generation 2 career reserve.

 

[Crzipilot]

10yrs and about 5k retirements over that period....1/3 of the list.

 

[Rickindfw]

American Eagle publicly stated that 50% of their pilots will flow up to AA in the next 5 years. Of course, that may not happen. But, that is what they are predicting as of today.

cliff
GRB

That's what they told me in 1997 when I interviewed there.

 

[LearLove]

10yrs and about 5k retirements over that period....1/3 of the list.

Great so in 10 years I can be a block holding group 2 FO. Basically slightly forward/senior of where I am now.

 

[Crzipilot]

Pretty much. Though I think it will be a bit better than that... As in 5 yrs a grp II f/o is supposed to be making about 2.00/hr less than a current 330 capt.

 

[Bringupthebird]

Great so in 10 years I can be a block holding group 2 FO. Basically slightly forward/senior of where I am now.

Have you tried crying that tune to a west pilot?

 

[TWINZ@11]

Anyone know how senior the AA DCA base is and how many are based there? Any chance for a new hire to hold it? I know its a joint base along with IAD and BWI but other than that there doesn't seem to be much talk of it and the type of trips flown. Appreciate the input as I'm looking at possibly moving back from oversea's and living in Maryland again.

 

[sean67]

Anyone know how senior the AA DCA base is and how many are based there? Any chance for a new hire to hold it? I know its a joint base along with IAD and BWI but other than that there doesn't seem to be much talk of it and the type of trips flown. Appreciate the input as I'm looking at possibly moving back from oversea's and living in Maryland again.

I believe they haave about 250 pilots in the DC tri base. Not sure how senior it is. I'm DCA based w AAA and I believe we new hires on the A320.

 

[LaGarbage Man]

I asked that same question of a AA pilot on the employee bus in DCA. He told me it is a bit of both. Top half is very senior, they pretty much will never leave. Bottom half of the list is junior and just waiting to hold something better. Only problem is that DC is not their most junior base. That would be JFK/LGA on the Mad Dog, so even the junior AA pilots in DC are not the bottom of the list like Airways.

 

[LaGarbage Man]

Hey Sean67 are you with the 167th out here in KMRB ?

 

[i fly boxes]

Question: It seems like this merger will happen any day, will both sides hire this year until they get stuff worked out?

 

[sean67]

Hey Sean67 are you with the 167th out here in KMRB ?

No...I fly c17s at Dover. Guess I should update my profile.

 

[LaGarbage Man]

Question: It seems like this merger will happen any day, will both sides hire this year until they get stuff worked out?

Its just my take on the language of the MOU so take it with a grain of salt. To me it looks like the hiring will actually have to stop on the POR (Plan Of Reorganization) date. According to the road show examples that would be in the neighborhood of 4 to 6 months from when AMR approves the plan. They estimate mid summer. The MOU contains language that states that all new hire positions must be offered to furloughed AA/US Airways pilots first. So that is aprox. 1650 pilots. Even if only 1/2 of them accept that is probably at least one year of school house activity before they would start looking to the street again. I don't even want to take a guess as to what they plan for the Eagle flow thru guys but that could also add to the wait for hiring from the street. This says to me that even with retirements, the off the street hiring is about to have the pause button pushed this summer.

 

[crashmbern]

Its just my take on the language of the MOU so take it with a grain of salt. To me it looks like the hiring will actually have to stop on the POR (Plan Of Reorganization) date. According to the road show examples that would be in the neighborhood of 4 to 6 months from when AMR approves the plan. They estimate mid summer. The MOU contains language that states that all new hire positions must be offered to furloughed AA/US Airways pilots first. So that is aprox. 1650 pilots. Even if only 1/2 of them accept that is probably at least one year of school house activity before they would start looking to the street again. I don't even want to take a guess as to what they plan for the Eagle flow thru guys but that could also add to the wait for hiring from the street. This says to me that even with retirements, the off the street hiring is about to have the pause button pushed this summer.

Most of the 1650 have deferred I think only about 600 haven't been offered a recall. At the rate AA is recalling all furloughed should be offered recall by June.

 

[LaGarbage Man]

Most of the 1650 have deferred I think only about 600 haven't been offered a recall. At the rate AA is recalling all furloughed should be offered recall by June.

Yeah I knew many have deferred. I guess my knowledge of what exactly that means for them returning to the property is lacking. I read somewhere that when they call the most junior guy then that starts a 3 year clock to return for those who deferred or they are gone. Correct ? I guess the $25k question is how many of those that defer will begin to return over those 3 years and will they be able to meet staffing needs with these guys and the Eagle flow thru's ? Combine those pilots coming back with loss of min fleet (a US Air item ) plus the company bringing in a PBS program and the company may just be able to keep pace with most of the retirements for a little while. I am not saying there will not be hiring off the street at the new AMR, I just think it is going to pause for a moment while they put this whole show together and see what they have. Just my thoughts. YMMV

 

[aa73]

Only problem is that DC is not their most junior base. That would be JFK/LGA on the Mad Dog, so even the junior AA pilots in DC are not the bottom of the list like Airways.

Actually, I believe MIA/737 is the most junior base/equipment, followed closely by LGA S80/737.

He's right about DCA being half senior, half junior.

 

[241BlujucCktl]

Does anybody know if the Eagle flow to AA would still occur if they were sold somebody else?

 

[pilotnbr1]

Is SFO officially closed now?

 

[rice]

Yeah I knew many have deferred. I guess my knowledge of what exactly that means for them returning to the property is lacking. I read somewhere that when they call the most junior guy then that starts a 3 year clock to return for those who deferred or they are gone. Correct ? I guess the $25k question is how many of those that defer will begin to return over those 3 years and will they be able to meet staffing needs with these guys and the Eagle flow thru's ? Combine those pilots coming back with loss of min fleet (a US Air item ) plus the company bringing in a PBS program and the company may just be able to keep pace with most of the retirements for a little while. I am not saying there will not be hiring off the street at the new AMR, I just think it is going to pause for a moment while they put this whole show together and see what they have. Just my thoughts. YMMV

I have a few friends who have or will bypass recall. It is my understanding that the 3 year clock was under the old contract. On another site, someone posted a link to the proposed contract which I believe contains language that indicates that deferrals have 24 months to come back to AA.
Anyone know what the real deal is?????

 

[AAbyDefault]

The 3 year clock after the last pilot to be offered recall is still enforced with a letter of agreement (Letter T) with the new contract.

 

[WSurf]

Does anybody know if the Eagle flow to AA would still occur if they were sold somebody else?

I think it might. Piedmont is about to wrap up contract and it looks like Mainline is gonna sign off on some kinda deal for the WO's. No details yet. But we've heard it all before. I think more WO's people might flow since there's gonna be better payrates at the combined airline.

 

[TheRaven]

I may have missed this somewhere else in this thread but does anyone know if certain numbers of seats are allotted for Eagle flows per class? Trying to get an idea of how tough it would be for a non-Eagle pilot to get on when the doors finally open.

Once hiring off the street commences, 50% of each class will come from Eagle until 824 guys are hired...then the rest of the people at Eagle before 11/1/11 will be hired at approx 33% of each AA class.

 

[Andy]

Mergers always create excess. Prepare for delayed hiring if USAir and AA merge. I do see United/Cal hiring soon though.

I agree that mergers create excess. And the AA bankruptcy cleared out a lot of pilots who would be hitting 65 in the next year or two. But LCC has a decent number of retirements that should keep things moving as far as hiring goes. Toss in new FAR rules and there could be a steady pace of hiring once recalls are complete. Followed by heavy hiring by the end of 2014 when retirements gain speed on the AMR side.

Even with United shrinking by 4-5% this year, United will be hiring quite a few this year due to new FAR rules and a ton of retirements.

 

[meyers9163]

Once hiring off the street commences, 50% of each class will come from Eagle until 824 guys are hired...then the rest of the people at Eagle before 11/1/11 will be hired at approx 33% of each AA class.

Correct but that's an American Airlines stand alone agreement. If nothing in the current MOU those 824 nor the hires prior to 11/1/11 are guaranteed anything until they have an official seniority class date...... History shows until your in a class these agreements have very little to stand on.....

Airways mgt will not let 50% or 33% to go at a time.... They can't restaff their regional quickly enough and thus they have a responsibility to make certain their flights aren't cx due to staffing at all levels........ You can say otherwise but ask any current USairways WO and you will see the trend of this mgt team.....