RUFM up...Radical Union fundamentalist movement

[netjetwife]

A clarification---

Netjetwife and others are involved in a full time JIHAD now. Evidence: 99% of their posts of late are spreading their radical pro-union stance on those non-union fractional carriers. Union is the answer to ALL problems in the fractional industry according to these radical fundamentalists.

Who's using extreme language in their posts? Not me. All I've done is offer encouragement for a process that was already under way. I'd cite the post by a Flex pilot that asked me to lend my voice to the cause, but alas, it was wiped out in the recent meltdown. For my willingness to point out the advantages of a union you liken me to a terrorist. Interesting leap. It tells me that you see my posts as a threat--even more interesting. I didn't claim that a union could solve "ALL problems in the fractional industry". Be prepared to back up your allegations or please stop putting words in my mouth. (The regulars here know that I'm quite capable of speaking for myself ) What I have said is that without a labor dispute the pilots and management are free to concentrate on improving the company.
WRONG!

There are many Pilots who are happy working for a non-union carrier. However, they are coming under assault by Netjetwife and numerous others on this board. Send in the cards, join the ranks of the illustrious, and all of your problems will be taken care of.

As I didn't even list specific companies, I'm hardly guilty of "assaulting" individual pilots. My posts are meant to support the right to unionize, explain the difference that it makes to NJ families, and cheer pilots on who are in the process of standing up for their rights.

Pilots, you don't need a union. Look at CS. You all know in your hearts it is not the answer. Go toward the light! Hahahah.

I have mentioned pilots that wouldn't have a job today if not for the efforts of my husband and other volunteers in 1108. I have pointed out that pilots must face management alone when they don't have a union to represent their interests. You may be comfortable with that, but many others realize that their rights and interests are under-represented in non-union companies. I fail to see how that reminder fits the definition of a Jihad. As you are the one to bring terms of war into the conversation, it would be fair to suggest that you are fighting to keep pilots from standing up for themselves. Why would you do that? Do you not believe in the rules of democracy? What's wrong with letting the pilots vote on their future? If things are as great as you say, they'd vote against a union, right? Are you telling us that you want to deny frac pilots a voice in their career? I say, let them decide for themselves. In the meantime, I applaud those that are working to improve conditions for themselves, their families, and fellow pilots.
Best of luck!
Netjetwife

 

[Guitar rocker]

Netjet wife,

You are completely right. When CS grows big enough, perhaps rocky and bogart will see the light and realize that a union is a must for a big company. Last but not least, these two kids are so ungrateful for NJA's union and what our pilots did for others in the fractional industry. What an embarrassment these two kids are to frac pilots out their not to mention their own.

 

[XPGuy]

Sure, life is great NOW...

This is the problem with a non-union shop.

4 years ago, Flight Options "didn't need a union" either. Now we have 70% of the pilots saying they want a vote.

Things change... and they can change at CS as well. It's nice to work for a company where a Union is not required... however, give it time. There is a reason why the MAJORITY of professional pilots are Union pilots... and if you look at the percentage of WELL-PAID pilots, it's damn near 100%.


It PAYS to have a Union.

 

[angryoneincher]

In the meantime, I applaud those that are working to improve conditions for themselves, their families, and fellow pilots.
Best of luck!
Netjetwife

Netjetwife, that pretty much sums it up. Thank God some one else has brain in their head. Wait till these young punks try to feed a family and save for college, etc. when they bucking management that doesnt give a **** about them. See if theyre still walking around with their head in the clouds. All we can do is pray that our military isnt made up of such brainless material.

 

[netjetwife]

Gentlemen. . .GR, AOI, and XPG
I COULDN'T AGREE MORE!

 

[FRACTRASH]

If every company needs a Union. Then explain why IBM is non Union? I think it's pretty hard to get much larger then them.

 

[FRACTRASH]

I did the Union thing and I still have the knife in my back. Two things drive any Union, GREED and MONEY.

 

[Guitar rocker]

I did the Union thing and I still have the knife in my back. Two things drive any Union, GREED and MONEY.

Bla bla bla. Nobody cares about your knife in your back. Just go fly your little citation and hop in bed with your mgmt when your done for the day, seeing that YOU have such a nice love relationship with them. That, and THEY will never stab you in ther back either! NOT! What kind of north american slope trip weed are you smoking scooter?

 

[FLYLOW22]

We aren't concerned with IBM.

 

[Pervis]

There was a story a number of years ago about a textile plant that burned to the ground before Christmas. The folks were already worried about the outsource problem prevelent in many industries today. The owner not only rebuilt that plant, but paid everyone full salary in the months it took to restart production. I believe a union drive there would have had no chance.

What's my point? I sure don't see that kind of human factor in the aviation business, or many others for that matter. You think IBM is so great, go work there. You think you don't need a union when your company, whatever company, in this business gets big and the top dogs have more greed than sense? Make comparisons that apply to reality.

 

[Guitar rocker]

There was a story a number of years ago about a textile plant that burned to the ground before Christmas. The folks were already worried about the outsource problem prevelent in many industries today. The owner not only rebuilt that plant, but paid everyone full salary in the months it took to restart production. I believe a union drive there would have had no chance.

What's my point? I sure don't see that kind of human factor in the aviation business, or many others for that matter. You think IBM is so great, go work there. You think you don't need a union when your company, whatever company, in this business gets big and the top dogs have more greed than sense? Make comparisons that apply to reality.

Thanks Pervis! Your completely right!

 

[FL450]

You never need insurance..........

.............until you need insurance.

 

[netjetwife]

If every company needs a Union. Then explain why IBM is non Union? I think it's pretty hard to get much larger then them.

Who said every company needs a union? I'll give you another computer company that treats the workers right- -Dell. Aviation, though, is much more complicated in its work rules and pilots face risks and have responsibilities that many other workers never see. Not to mention that the lifestyle can be difficult and hard on families.

Unions exist to fill a need. Where there's no need, it isn't likely that you will see the workers organizing. For those who can read the writing on the wall, I agree with the insurance analogy. Why wait for things to get worse? You should know from the NJ pilots example that things take time. The longer you wait the more money and QOL you lose.

As for greed, there are some bad apples in every bushel- -everyone knows that. Interestingly enough, however, there is the expression Corporate Greed, but I've never heard of Union Greed. Local 1108 is staffed by NJ pilots working hard for NJ pilots. Active participation by the pilots involved will ensure the local remains responsible and honest. StrongUnion was a grassroots movement with enough leaders to act as a checks and balance system. The other frac pilots are capable of the same kind of organization.

To those who are not satisfied with the status quo, there is an alternative.
I wish you all the best in exploring your options!
Netjetwife

 

[XPGuy]

NetJetWife, you are way out of Fractrash's league. The guy can't keep up with us. His last job was apparently a unionized burger joint that stuck a knife in his back and he's now at his first "real job", and nothing anyone can say to him will make him realize how much he doesn't have compared to the Net Jets pilots.

Let him think he's the highest-paid. We don't care. We KNOW the truth. We KNOW which fractional lets their pilots live wherever they want, has 100% paid for benefits. Which one allows you to have legal representation should you need it if the company decides it doesn't like you one day, or you bust an altitude and they get a call from the Feds.

He's the kind of pilot that management loves. These kinds of pilots are too stupid to realize what they don't have. They are making more money than they ever have in their young lives, so life is great. Good for them!

When they have kids, and a wife who does NOT provide their insurance (I bet she pays for her insurance), they may reconsider. Or when their dispatch, due to changes in their company, needs to start treating their pilots like crap because they are at a size that historically has proved that they will have to, then they might change their minds... and 1108 will be there for them.

Don't get me wrong, either. I do not slight the CS guys AT ALL. I'm happy for them, that they were able to reap a benefit from the hard work generated by the Net Jets pilots. I wish Flexjet and my own Flight Options companies would have reciprocated! But the assinine attitude of this guy Fractrash is so childish it makes me sick. He is an embarassment to his fellow pilots - if he does indeed work for them and he's not just some anti-union busting firm's tool. Irrelevant. We see him for what he is, and he's a small, shallow-brained individual who truly does not understand the big picture of Fractional Aviation.

 

[Guitar rocker]

XPguy, you are completely right about fractrash (also, I would add that your statement applies to Bogart and Rocky). These kids are young, immature, insecure and have a lot to learn in life.