Rude Welcome Awaits JetBlue

[Keydet]

Wow, another negative JB thread on flightinfo---imagine that.

 

[Snoopy Mendoza]

hourly to LGA were it is easier to get downtown.

With mainline equipment, yep.

:beer:

 

[Joey Bayonne]

Originally Posted by SWA/FO

LIVE IS GOOD at SWA.

You sound DUMB when you attempt to make fun of a successful Company.

I'm sorry, who sounds DUMB?

 

[samfu_1]

Just to comment on this article:

Rude Welcome Awaits JetBlue

By Julie Johnsson
Tribune staff reporter

November 6, 2006


"Still, JetBlue is retrenching after breaking even in the third quarter on revenue of $628 million. With cash reserves of $456 million, it has less leeway to sustain money-losing service than do United and American, with $4.1 billion and $5.1 billion in unrestricted cash, respectively."

That's an extemely unfair comparison of cash reserves when you consider the size of JetBlue as compared to American and United and the operating costs associated with sustaining each.

 

[AAflyer]

Wow, another negative JB thread on flightinfo---imagine that.

I didn't post this to start a JB bash fest. If you look at my posting history you will see that is something I do not do.

Regards,

AA

 

[AAflyer]

Wow Dude, I wasn't talking about jetBlue. I found it comical that Megan McCarthy, a spokeswoman for United would comment.........

"We look forward to competing vigorously with JetBlue and all the carriers at O'Hare"

And then American Airlines rolled out a special $59 fare. I can understand competition, but at what point does it hurt their bottom line too much. The employees at those companies have given back, and is irresponsible management decisions the answer? If they head down a spiral again, do they expect the employees to bail them out?

Ya, you are so right.. From SWA.

Fly between Dallas Love Field and select cities from $39 to $79 one-way with 14-day advance purchase! Book by December 1, 2006 for travel December 1, 2006 through March 9, 2007.

 

[Quimby]

Wow..

That's the pot calling the kettle black...

Mr. Smarty Pants CanyonBlue..

This from a guy who flies his "little" 737 for a company that for 25-30 of its 35 year history was looked upon as "lowering the bar" by the now legacies.

Last time anyone checked, no one at JetBlue is here by force, no one has taken a pay cut and no one has had to go BUY their type or resign from their furloughed airline.

Mr. Smarty Pants CanyonBlue..
You sound scared and bitter.

Why don't you enjoy your top of the hill status, save your money, concentrate on not getting divorced (if you found a woman to put up with you) and recognize that those on top inevitably may fall.

And don't forget to take credit for your superior Management. I'm sure SWA's success was all because of YOU!

Enjoy your ride.

all those "little" 737's should go away.............I hope I get to drive me a big jet someday!:smash: then I'll be a real pile-it.

 

[Bavarian Chef]

The difference is that jb doesn't plan to make money on any route and the other carriers do. So if we don't make any money, no big whoop. It only hurts to cut fares when you actually had a shot at a profit.


What??????? Your future is in airline management.

According to our RTP website we at jb price our fares according to what the market costs and not what the market will bear. That is why we often just break even on some routes. If we wanted to make more money we could, but it doesn't jibe with our blue culture. Yeah, it makes no sense to me either.

 

[lowecur]

UAL and AA slashing fares was to be expected, I certainly doubt this comes as any surprise to jetblue.

Who knows how it will turn out, I guess time will tell!

7 flts per day won't even put a dent in Jetblue's revenue or expenses....it's a non-issue. It's strictly a way to broaden the network to accomodate loyal customers.

CAL found out at Newark how expensive it can be to flood the market with cheap fares to offset Jetblue's arrival. When you are the 800lb gorilla in a market the effect of matching fares creates an exponential downdraft to the bottomline.

Jetblue reported a 25% increase year over year in it's PRASM for Oct. That coupled with a flat LF for the month bodes well for the bottom line this Q. Sounds like Neeleman is on the right track.

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[ACWild]

7 flts per day won't even put a dent in Jetblue's revenue or expenses....it's a non-issue. It's strictly a way to broaden the network to accomodate loyal customers.

CAL found out at Newark how expensive it can be to flood the market with cheap fares to offset Jetblue's arrival. When you are the 800lb gorilla in a market the effect of matching fares creates an exponential downdraft to the bottomline.

CAL only matched fares with JB flights to Fla. as far as I know. I don't believe that would put a dent in CAL's rev or expenses any more than it would JB out of ORD. They have a history of protecting the EWR hub, so I don't think their defensive position against JB is something that they just "found out." JMHO.

 

[eaglefly]

I looked at Travelocity last night.

On the JFK to ORD non-stop route we are using 320s and 190s they are using 145s and CR700s. Otherwise, they are using mainline equipment with 1 or more stops and 5 hour plus travel times and one fare as high as $900.00.

One flight is ORD - DFW - JFK and is very close to our fare.

It will be interesting to see if we can fill our daily 612 non-stop seats and at what yield.

:beer:

You'll fill them...............but at a loss.

Especially, with those taxi times and high percentage of delays at BOTH JFK and ORD.

The gas alone will make that route unprofitable.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

..

This from a guy who flies his "little" 737 for a company that for 25-30 of its 35 year history was looked upon as "lowering the bar" by the now legacies.

Enjoy your ride.

Lowering the bar?

After a legacy pilot averages in his paycheck value while on furlough and strike, I wonder who makes more money over a 20+ career...

 

[Tejas-Jet]

True. However, as the Legacy's regain strength there will be a big fight for the skies. SWA will lose its pretty fuel price and ask for the pilots to take cuts to survive.

Russian, Don't know if you've noticed or not but as the Legacies regain strength, the employees of those legacies are wanting their "contributions" back.

Heck, there already is a scheduled "informational picketing" event later this month. The TWU leader at the AA maintenance facility in TUL has said publicaly he wants AA's pockets filled now....so that in 2008, he can dig into those pockets and get his fair share back.

SWA has a team dedicated to fuel efficiencies/purchases....they do a great job...and continue to plan for the future...thats the best part.

Tejas

 

[lowecur]

CAL only matched fares with JB flights to Fla. as far as I know. I don't believe that would put a dent in CAL's rev or expenses any more than it would JB out of ORD. They have a history of protecting the EWR hub, so I don't think their defensive position against JB is something that they just "found out." JMHO.

It cost them $25M in the 4th Q of 2005 according to an analcyst. As far as I know, they continue to match Jetblue to Florida. Profits from CLE and IAH are offsetting the loss.

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[BLUE BAYOU]

AA and other legacy carriers have a knack at matching competitive fares and routes. Like Neeleman said, we are matched on every route we fly by a legacy in one way or another, a fine example is how Delta introduced JFK-upstate NY flights with CRJs and -8s. Remember a time when American Eagle used to fly those routes in SAAB 340s, where are they now? AA matched our flights out of LGB-JFK and OAK-JFK and they have in fact retreated on those routes and we still fly 'em. Additionally, the Asian market is going to be great between ORD-LGB. Where we fly on well-travelled routes, BOS-IAD, JFK-IAD, BOS-JFK, OAK-LGB-- we are holding our own and having greeted many of those passengers on my plane, they are extremely receptive of our premium service and friendly crews. We will continue to get bashed on Flight-Info.com because when people are jealous of a "good-thing", they lose control of their bladders...

 

[ACWild]

It cost them $25M in the 4th Q of 2005 according to an analcyst. As far as I know, they continue to match Jetblue to Florida. Profits from CLE and IAH are offsetting the loss.

DoesJB make any money out of EWR? Just curious as I really don't read analyst reports or stock info.

 

[brew3departure]

I think this is probably a little late?

I don't work for JB, but, honestly, I'm surprised it took this long for them to finally acknowledge that you have to include the midwest (namely, Chicago) in any growth plans if you want to continue to grow.

I know it's probably been a huge struggle to get the one gate that you managed to get at ORD...and, does anyone know - does the gate belong to someone else? I don't know who payed off who with regard to Midway, but SWA has that whole enchilada locked up for a long time...

Here's how I see it...the ORD-JFK pair will probably do very well...EWR, LGA and HPN are well served from Chicago...JFK, not so much.

The California stuff, though, good luck. Just between AA and UA, flying into inconvenient, out of the way LGB is going to be a tough sell for business folks...

Me and a lot of other folks were wondering when you were going to start flying to cities in the Midwest; with the enormous amount of airplanes that still remain undelivered, any idea where the rest of them are going to go?

-brew3

 

[Frank Lorenzo]

And so it begins.

The legacies, flush with money, are now going to really turn the screws to JBLU. Wherever JBLU tries to "expand" to, the legacies will be there waiting to drop their fares to loss-leader levels.

Oh but that's OK for JBLU. They don't need to make money. That won't hurt them at all.

You JBLU cheerleaders keep whistling past the graveyard. Keep an eye out for that tombstone with People Express written on it.

 

[CA1900]

Frank, you crack me up!

Can I buy you a coke? I know, I know -- leave the can sealed... :laugh:

 

[lowecur]

DoesJB make any money out of EWR? Just curious as I really don't read analyst reports or stock info.

Not as of 4th Q 2005. They lost approx $400,000. Yield mgt has supposedly helped, but I have my doubts EWR is profitable.

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