Rude Welcome Awaits JetBlue

[elag777]

B Chef
I see you are on the bus, so frankly I am a little confused as to what all you problems are...

 

[elag777]

Read my profile to find out what airplane I am on. Pretty simple, may actually negate this last post.

I love that last part about the "guys on property less than a year." What was I thinking? We already have a union at jb. Who cares about the bottom 500 or so.

Look I am outta this one. I have better things to do. You dudes act like I killed your cat.

No no! with a little John Kerry spin it can apply to both, and your right you should have better things to do.
You last observation suggests this is really your 1st airline job.

 

[Maj]

You last observation suggests this is really your 1st airline job.

?????

 

[BLUE BAYOU]

The Chef has issues and you all want to send him away! The fact of the matter is JB is currently a have and have not airline. The A-320 Captains have, all else have not. Take a look at 12 year pay scales below. The JB rates are based on a Effective rate working 85 hours. However the Captain to FO percentage would not change at base pay.

Company Captain FO FO/Capt %

American 161 109 67%
Contin 144 98 68%
delta 149 102 68%
Northwest 159 108 67%
United 131 90 68%
US Air 138 91 65%
SWA 191 131 66%
Jetblue 150 89 59%

JB FO's are the least paid and make the least percentage of the captains they fly with. This is compounded with profit sharing (if and when we get any) and CSPP.

At this time, there are no 12 year F/Os on property, so it's a defective comparison... Our hopes are if it starts taking much longer to upgrade (12 years) then you're going to see those rates come up...

 

[clickclickboom]

Look I am outta this one. I have better things to do. You dudes act like I killed your cat.

You are the one that killed my cat? You Ba$tard

 

[slyf15e]

Blue Bayou,

It is taking longer to upgrade. We are only taking delivery of 12 Buses next year, not 17 and word is we will be returning 5 for a net gain of 7. DN has also stated that we will substantially slowing growth over the next three years. If you didn't upgrade last year before the RTP announcement, the upgrade time is currently 3 years and that will quickly go to 4 years. On third year scale, FO's make 52 % of a third year Captain. That number Goes up to 56% at year four.

My point is, All FO pay rates need to go up, not just on the 190.

"Hopefully", the pay group will fix this. Overall, I'm still very happy to be with JB. It is just painfull when management briefed us on upgrade times when making the decision to bid the 190 or stay on the bus. According to them, I should have been a Bus Captain 6 months ago. Now, I'll be very luck to get it next year. JB is still a good company but RTP and slowed growth hurts guys under 800 seniority. Longer upgrade times, longer reserve times, making less money longer, etc. This is a fact of life and some of us aren't overly excited about it but we still love Jetblue.

 

[8vATE]

Reality check...

I'm amazed at the naivete and the lack of rational thought out there by some of these "professional" aviators (not naming names CHEF)...

From all the whining and bitching, the crying that "they told me this" and "now I can't upgrade" to "we're slowing growth and blah.. blah.. blah..."

Ask a Delta guy, UAL, US Airway's guy.... anyone in this industry if things went exactly as planned....

But the truth to this whole ridiculous whining fest is this.

If the company you work for doesn't have a sustainable business plan, a plan that allows it to compete, to grow, to weather downturns in the economy. There is absolutely no point to complaining about upgrade times or how much you make or how much someone else makes.
Look how far the mighty have fallen... Delta.. UAL.. PanAm...TWA...

We here at JetBlue need to ensure we give our company the tools it needs to succeed, to be the most efficient it can be. That doesn't mean being walked over by DN but I believe of all the management teams out there, we have the best (maybe SWA is best.. but they have 35 years on us).

Fact is... sounds like there are a lot of Blue Pilots that will not be happy with REALITY... so I suggest firing up your resumes and pursuing your pipe-dream somewhere else.
My step-brother is in the Plumbing/Airconditioning business and he's earning more than me and home every night. That's the future of professional aviation.

 

[Frank Lorenzo]

My step-brother is in the Plumbing/Airconditioning business and he's earning more than me and home every night. That's the future of professional aviation.

Another ray of light! Yet another pilot that "gets it."

Face it guys, the days of pilots making 100 grand a year are history. People like 8vATE are waking up and realizing that they should just be happy to have a job. The best way to preserve that job is to keep a well compensated executive team, complete with glistening golden parachutes, running the Blue machine. Of course, we will have to keep pilot pay at rock bottom to make my vision a reality, but obviously most of the Blue pilots are "on board."

I applaud the Blue pilots for blazing a trail of reform within the pilot ranks. Someone needs to set an example and LEAD the rest of the pilots in this country to the promised land. Low pay, back to back trans cons, 5 year "contracts", no union, and trash picking are just the beginning. I have all sorts of spectacular ideas for pilot productivity I think you guys will really like. I hope you all don't mind serving drinks with the Flight Attendants during cruise flight.

Thanks again, and keep up the great work!

Before I go, I would just like to give a verbal tongue lashing to all of the imposters that have popped up within the last week or so. People are coming on this board claiming to be Blue pilots, and then saying that they are dissatisfied with their work environment. This is obviously impossible, as I was told by several people on this board that all of the pilots are flying around in a cloud of euphoria at JBLU. No one would ever even think of leaving. Shame on all of you who think you can so easily fool the rest of us!

 

[Fearless Tower]

Another ray of light! Yet another pilot that "gets it."

Did you actually PAY the 10 bucks to register that username???

 

[zonker]

Did you actually PAY the 10 bucks to register that username???

No, his retardation has been around for quite awhile.

However, this 8vATE character is a member of the "I got mine, you have no right to complain" club.

 

[Dizel8]

However, this 8vATE character is a member of the "I got mine, you have no right to complain" club.

Zonker, I am not sure that description is quite correct and even a bit overboard perhaps.

Had one been hired at say UAL late 90's, upgrade would have been very quick, but unfortunately for them and realistically all of us, things changed and for the worse. Of course projections of upgrade is often based on best case scenarios, well, we all know this business is at times a crap shoot and things do change.

jetblue was growing like gangbusters, they still are, but things have definitely slowed a bit, in the short term that sucks, but perhaps in the long run, it is for the better. Of course, as someone else mentioned, should jetblue go out of business, upgrades might run a bit longer yet.

I would never say "just color", and I sympathise, however, I cannot say, that I agree with the sentiment, that jetblue sucks because of how things have changed. There are things that suck at all companies, but sometimes, we have to consider the reason why they do!

Just my two cents, mileage may vary, professional stuntmen, closed road, dramatization, do not overinflated, shown with optional accessories, pictures simulated, paid advertisment, I may or may not have approved this message, prices higher in AK and CA, do not attempt, don't do drugs, don't drink and fly, weekend stay required, limited seats, slight variations in fabric!

 

[NTS ALL 4]

zonked again?

However, this 8vATE character is a member of the "I got mine, you have no right to complain" club.

You mean you haven't "got yours". You're too late again. Sucks to be you.

Don't worry you'll get it all right!

I'm not sharing mine with you, because I got mine and you can't have any.

Want some cheese with your whine!

Grow up, chump!

 

[zonker]

You mean you haven't "got yours". You're too late again. Sucks to be you.

Don't worry you'll get it all right!

I'm not sharing mine with you, because I got mine and you can't have any.

Want some cheese with your whine!

Grow up, chump!

I'm not whining, dip$hit. I'm doing just fine.

What I'm tired of: Those who think it's unacceptable to voice dissent and their only answer for those who do is to tell them to quit.

 

[NTS ALL 4]

What I'm tired of: Those who think it's unacceptable to voice dissent and their only answer for those who do is to tell them to quit.

If you're tired, then maybe you need to take an afternoon nap with all the pre-school kids, you sound like you're whining like a 5 year old. "Teacher, teacher, Jimmys got the toy I want because he got here first."

You're probably the kid nobody played with on the playground too.

Grow up or quit your whining. Virgin America is where you need to be to get yours first.

 

[zonker]

If you're tired, then maybe you need to take an afternoon nap with all the pre-school kids, you sound like you're whining like a 5 year old. "Teacher, teacher, Jimmys got the toy I want because he got here first."

You're probably the kid nobody played with on the playground too.

Grow up or quit your whining. Virgin America is where you need to be to get yours first.

Go take your meds scumbag.

 

[UpNDownGuy]

This thread is a big indication of one of the main problems at JetBlue. Bavarian Chef raised some issues, which may have merit, and rather than discussing the issues, he was assaulted by his fellow pilots. My experience, both here and at BP.com, has shown the following:

1) If you post ANYTHING that is not 100% in favor of everything the company is doing, you are labeled a troublemaker. Instantly. The only posts allowed are those describing in various shades of wonderfulness how great it is to employed at JB.

2) Should you make one of those "unfortunate" posts, you will receive one or both of the two (2) acceptable responses: You knew what the ____ (pay, working conditions, etc) was before you were hired, and don't let the door hit you on the butt on the way out. Usually these replies are delivered with a heaping amount of personal attack as well, such as "Is this your first airline?".

What is truly disturbing is that these attacks are from fellow JetBlue pilots. Making any improvements whatsoever will start with the simple act of acknowledging that there ARE areas that need improvement.

I think it's possible to discuss actual issues, but maybe I'm wrong.

 

[8vATE]

Another ray of light! Yet another pilot that "gets it."

Face it guys, the days of pilots making 100 grand a year are history. People like 8vATE are waking up and realizing that they should just be happy to have a job. The best way to preserve that job is to keep a well compensated executive team, complete with glistening golden parachutes, running the Blue machine.

Well..

I am a realist..
But I am not a punk..

On the other hand.. you're a plain, bold faced liar.
If it's one thing we DO HAVE at Jetblue... It's not a greedy, lying, criminal management team raping the workers.

The senior management team here FOUNDED the company and took it public.
Hence, most of them have ownership %'s in the company with NO exorbinant options. Licensed crewmembers and mid-managers/directors do get options.

Our leadership is paid nickels and dimes in yearly salary... WHICH D.N. and D.B. return to the employee hardship/charity fund.

So...

Do we make less than pilots ten years ago?
Yes.
Does everyone else make less?
Yes.

Frank, by shoveling your crap you are the one who smells.


For you guys that think it sucks so bad and bitch, bitch, bitch..
Hey..
Lots of us furlougees have been there.
There are more casualties from this industry than success stories..


MY POINT is ....

The key to everyone's success is an efficient, profitable growing company.

If there are improvements in pay/compensation to be had... I'm all for it, esp for our E190 gang.

But don't hamstring or cripple the business plan for it.
And I think there are people out there that will never adjust to the new reality... which is...
There are a lot more occupations that are more lucrative than flying.

 

[JBPA]

This thread is a big indication of one of the main problems at JetBlue. Bavarian Chef raised some issues, which may have merit, and rather than discussing the issues, he was assaulted by his fellow pilots. My experience, both here and at BP.com, has shown the following:

1) If you post ANYTHING that is not 100% in favor of everything the company is doing, you are labeled a troublemaker. Instantly. The only posts allowed are those describing in various shades of wonderfulness how great it is to employed at JB.

2) Should you make one of those "unfortunate" posts, you will receive one or both of the two (2) acceptable responses: You knew what the ____ (pay, working conditions, etc) was before you were hired, and don't let the door hit you on the butt on the way out. Usually these replies are delivered with a heaping amount of personal attack as well, such as "Is this your first airline?".

What is truly disturbing is that these attacks are from fellow JetBlue pilots. Making any improvements whatsoever will start with the simple act of acknowledging that there ARE areas that need improvement.

I think it's possible to discuss actual issues, but maybe I'm wrong.

Someone else who gets it. I think the total is now three.