RJDC Update - March 8 (part 1)

[surplus1]

Surplus,

Read your lawsuit again. It is not we who are trying to take your airplanes, it is you who are trying to take ours. If you were to win, what would stop mgt from shifting all of our airplanes to the lowest bidder?

FDJ,

It's not likely that you and I are going to agree on the litigation. You see the outcome one way and I see it another. We've explored our differences at length with no change on either side.

If we should win, then what happens will depend on what we win and what we subsequently decide to do about it. I can't predict the future.

What I personally would hope for is the return of that part of your Scope clause that directly affects Comair and ASA to what it was in your 1996 PWA coupled with your being estopped from changing that without mutual agreement. The remainder of your Scope would remain as is or as subsequently modified by you.

I would then hope that we could sit down together and agree as to where the dividing lines should be drawn in the mutual interests of our Company and each other, and how to provide access to the flying by both parties in the event of future reductions in force affecting either party.

I do not want any of your traditional equipment to be transferred to Comair without your consent and I know and believe that the principals in this litigation share my views and do not want that either. I also do not want a number on your list and neither do they. While I acknowledge that some of our pilots may, I see that as a personal choice and it is not a part of the litigation nor its potential outcome.

The remainder of what I would want has only to do with the ALPA and not with Delta specifically. I believe the desired changes would improve the Association's ability to represent all of its members equitably notwithstanding the diversity among pilot groups. That ability certainly does not exist today and, in my view, is necessary if the union is to survive in peace. That is all.

Also, the only reason that cmr is not hiring DAL pilots is that they are afraid that "the cmr guys would burn the house down." That is a direct quote from our VP of flight ops. All we needed from you was assurances that your pilot group would not object. Your mec would not even do that. And you agree with that?

I do not doubt that your VP of Flt. Ops. may have said that to you or to someone else. I would not even doubt that our VP of Flt. Ops. might have told him that as a convenient c-y-a for the position of Comair's management on the retention of seniority issue, which is the key to the whole thing. VPs say a lot of things from time to time. Some are factual and others are not, but you knew that.

I have enjoyed our conversations. But you should be ashamed of yourself for supporting that decision. It was petty and small-minded, and it would have cost you nothing but the price of a stamp. Instead, your group tried to use our furloughees as hostages in an attempt to destroy our job protections.

I have enjoyed our conversations as well and hope to continue to do so. I must tell you however, that I am not at all ashamed of supporting that decision and do not feel a particular need to defend it or justify it. In my tenure at Comair I have experienced many decisions of the Delta MEC that were, are, and will remain no less palatable to me than this decision of the Comair MEC is to you. Although I know and have known many Delta pilots, not a single one of them has ever apologized to me or anyone else at Comair that I am aware of, for any of those decisions of your MEC. Neither has anyone on your MEC or in your pilot group ever expressed regret for your MEC's decisions.

As you yourself point out, the CMR MEC decision possibly affects only a handful of Delta pilots who may have elected to apply at Comair. In contrast, certain decisions of the Delta MEC have adversely affected every Comair pilot and will continue to do so for the forseable future. That doesn't seem to bother you or your peers in the least. Why do you then expect that this decision which potentially affects but a handful of Delta pilots, shoud bother me or my peers?

Your mec has shown their true colors, and absent any outcry from your pilot group, I have to assume that they agree with the actions of their leadership.

Your MEC has been showing its true colors towards the Comair pilot group for no less than ten consecutive years of which I have personal knowledge. Absent not only an outcry but not as much as a single objection from your pilot group, I too must assume that they agree with their leadership. Literally hundreds have so stated in the ALPA forums past and present, this forum, other forums, the Widget, Roar from 44, The old NY LEC newsletter, the BOS news letter and associated other official publications of your MEC, and etc.

Your people have called us every name in the book both privately and in public forums, questioned our backgrounds, accused us of incompetence, demeaned our professional qualifications and rediculed our imagined lack of education for nearly a decade, consistently. At one point some of your people were even calling us scabs on the radio, not once or twice but with regularity, because someone in your management and my management decided to paint our airplanes in your livery; an event that we didn't like any more than you did.

There is much more that I could say about the attitudes, remarks and actions of your MEC members, Officers and general membership towards Comair pilots, but why bother. Talk about "petty". My friend you know not of what you speak.

Without tangible evidence that the DAL pilot group disagrees with their MEC in those matters that I have mentioned, I will continue to support that my MEC should do nothing extraordinary to facilitate the hiring by Comair of Delta pilots that retain their Delta seniority. If any of you choose to resign your Delta seniority and come here as Comair pilots, then you will be welcome.

In the event our Company decides to change its hiring policies and allow Delta pilots to come here with their Delta seniority retained, I assure you that they will be accepted, treated with professional respect, and assisted in every way possible by Comair line pilots, instructors and staff. You may not know it, but that's our way of doing things. We most certainly will not "burn our house down" over that, contrary to the opinion/allegation of you VP Flt. Ops. Don't believe everything you hear, FDJ. Do not form opinions of what you think my group might do, based upon what your group might do. All birds do not have the same feathers.

We have not made nor are we making any threats towards individual Delta pilots or the Delta pilot group as a whole, despite our differences. Your group both has and is. You live in a glass palace, FDJ. Better keep your stones in your pocket.

Your furloughees are not victims of a Comair MEC decision. They are pawns being used in furtherance of your own MEC's political agenda which unfortunately has little to do with securing work for them, least of all at Comair. Call a spade a spade.

I feel confident that your mec's actions will hurt their own pilot group far more than they hurt the mere handful of our pilots who would have gone to cmr.

You refer to us a "petty and small-minded" and then you make a thinly vieled threat like that? Who was it again that's showing their "true colors". Give me a break, FDJ, I wasn't born yesterday.

 

[Clownpilot]

Please please

Surplus will gladly argue this topic until the sun burns out on its own. I can't take his pontification any longer. It's unending.

He will gleefully post 7 part, 9 page, self serving diatribes to anyone who will engage him and will remain steadfast in his opinions, unwaving, until he is dead.

I am begging this board to take out a gun, put it to the head of this thread, and pull the trigger. Why this topic is still alive is beyond me.

We can only stand so much.
Have mercy.

 

[skydiverdriver]

As far as the statement that "no Comair pilot wants to fly for Delta" that was reported in the Widget. I'm know you disagree with the validity of the statement but it was in print. Whether it was acutaully said or not is really not important.
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So, you are saying that it's okay for your leadership to lie to you (and everyone else) in print?

 

[C425Driver]

Surplus Wrote:

"Your mec has shown their true colors, and absent any outcry from your pilot group, I have to assume that they agree with the actions of their leadership. As such, I hope that the cmr mec gets their wish. Delta pilots shouldn't be sharing a cockpit with cmr pilots. Of course, the same will be true when we start hiring again. Without tangible evidence that the cmr pilot group disagrees with their mec in this matter, I will continue to propose that we never hire another cmr pilot. I feel confident that your mec's actions will hurt their own pilot group far more than they hurt the mere handful of our pilots who would have gone to cmr."


Surplus,

There are many of us who disagree with the actions of our mec in this case - we actually believe that our union should start acting like a union and helping each other without invoking alterior motives. Unfortunately, there seems to be a veil of secrecy and vagueness surrounding our mec. While we were informed that there would be a meeting between our mec's, we weren't informed of details of discussion ahead of time (just very broad subjects) or our mec's position on these points. Only after hearing details from the DAL side, did we finally hear our mec's side of the story.

If I thought that voicing my opinion to my mec would help even in the slightest bit, I would do so. But for now, I've resigned to the fact that I will never have a shot at employment at DAL, since I will be forever villified for the uniform that I wear regardless of my stance on my mec's actions and the rjdc lawsuit.

C425Driver

 

[FlyDeltasJets]

FDJ,

What I personally would hope for is the return of that part of your Scope clause that directly affects Comair and ASA to what it was in your 1996 PWA coupled with your being estopped from changing that without mutual agreement. The remainder of your Scope would remain as is or as subsequently modified by you.


Ironically, that is not at all what you asked for in your suit. Sorry, but I am not ready to trust your good intentions simply because you ask me to. I am especially wary of someone's motives when they are suing our union for $12,000,000 for EACH cmr pilot, a total of about $15,000,000,000.



I would then hope that we could sit down together and agree as to where the dividing lines should be drawn in the mutual interests of our Company and each other, and how to provide access to the flying by both parties in the event of future reductions in force affecting either party.



Sorry, I prefer instead to leave the union and keep our scope clause intact. Once we do so, no more DFR, and we'll keep our scope. You will have bankrupted the union, so us staying or leaving is kind of a moot point.



I do not want any of your traditional equipment to be transferred to Comair without your consent and I know and believe that the principals in this litigation share my views and do not want that either.


Oh, I'm sorry. I was reading the CONTENT of your lawsuit where it asks a judge to do exactly that. But I am supposed to feel better because you say that you don't want it. Guess what? Once you are done killing our scope, it won't much matter what either of us want, as mgt will have the ability to give all our airplanes to the lowest bidder. That is, unless we leave the union.




I do not doubt that your VP of Flt. Ops. may have said that to you or to someone else. I would not even doubt that our VP of Flt. Ops. might have told him that as a convenient c-y-a for the position of Comair's management on the retention of seniority issue, which is the key to the whole thing. VPs say a lot of things from time to time. Some are factual and others are not, but you knew that.





Wait a minute. You have been telling us for years that cmr mgt is a puppet for DAL mgt. Now you are telling me that Delta can't control CMR mgt. Which is it. You know as well as I do that if Leo told your mgt to hire Delta pilots, it would be done tomorrow. They will not do so because your mec made a stink. Ironic that the ASA mec did not do so, and we now have furloughed Delta pilots there. Plus, I have read the letter from lawson. The facts are not in dispute, I accept his account. I just think that it is despicable.



As you yourself point out, the CMR MEC decision possibly affects only a handful of Delta pilots who may have elected to apply at Comair. In contrast, certain decisions of the Delta MEC have adversely affected every Comair pilot and will continue to do so for the forseable future. That doesn't seem to bother you or your peers in the least. Why do you then expect that this decision which potentially affects but a handful of Delta pilots, shoud bother me or my peers?





The actions of my mec all are done to foster the growth of high paying jobs and limit the outsourcing of our work to low wage carriers. While that might not benefit the small number of regional pilots who choose (or are forced) to make a career at the regional, it benefits the large majority who dream of moving on to the majors. Your mec's actions harm many and benefit none, and they were done purely out of spite.




Your MEC has been showing its true colors towards the Comair pilot group for no less than ten consecutive years of which I have personal knowledge. Absent not only an outcry but not as much as a single objection from your pilot group, I too must assume that they agree with their leadership. Literally hundreds have so stated in the ALPA forums past and present, this forum, other forums, the Widget, Roar from 44, The old NY LEC newsletter, the BOS news letter and associated other official publications of your MEC, and etc.

You better believe I support my leadership.



Your people have called us every name in the book both privately and in public forums, questioned our backgrounds, accused us of incompetence, demeaned our professional qualifications and rediculed our imagined lack of education for nearly a decade, consistently. At one point some of your people were even calling us scabs on the radio, not once or twice but with regularity, because someone in your management and my management decided to paint our airplanes in your livery; an event that we didn't like any more than you did.


I have no control over the actions of individual pilots. However, since I have been on these boards, FAR more insults have been directed at my group than any other. Get over it. I do.




There is much more that I could say about the attitudes, remarks and actions of your MEC members, Officers and general membership towards Comair pilots, but why bother. Talk about "petty". My friend you know not of what you speak.


I'll thank you not to tell me what I do or don't know.




Without tangible evidence that the DAL pilot group disagrees with their MEC in those matters that I have mentioned, I will continue to support that my MEC should do nothing extraordinary to facilitate the hiring by Comair of Delta pilots that retain their Delta seniority. If any of you choose to resign your Delta seniority and come here as Comair pilots, then you will be welcome.

That's just the point. You were never asked to do anything extraordinary. In fact, just the opposite. Your pilot group is currently acting AGAINST the hiring of our pilots. When we do the same, please don't be surprised.

P.S.
I wouldn't be so quick to welcome anyone who would resign a Delta seniority number for cmr. He would obviously be insane, and a danger to himself and his passengers.



In the event our Company decides to change its hiring policies and allow Delta pilots to come here with their Delta seniority retained, I assure you that they will be accepted, treated with professional respect, and assisted in every way possible by Comair line pilots, instructors and staff. You may not know it, but that's our way of doing things. We most certainly will not "burn our house down" over that, contrary to the opinion/allegation of you VP Flt. Ops. Don't believe everything you hear, FDJ. Do not form opinions of what you think my group might do, based upon what your group might do. All birds do not have the same feathers.

Then why not make a simple statement to that fact. As a matter of fact, you could send the above paragraph to your mec. It is exactly what they refuse to publically say, and exactly why our furloughees have not been hired. Even if it didn't do the trick, we would then know that our mgt is lying. Why is your mec afraid of making such a statement?




You refer to us a "petty and small-minded" and then you make a thinly vieled threat like that? Who was it again that's showing their "true colors". Give me a break, FDJ, I wasn't born yesterday.

If you thought that was a "thinly veiled threat," then I apologize. I did not mean to make it thinly veiled at all. I meant to make it very explicit. If your mec continues to object to the hiring of our furloughees, I certainly hope that our mec just as strongly objects to the hiring of your pilots. Quid pro Quo.

Your mec has made it clear that they do not want cmr pilots to share a cockpit with Delta pilots. I hope that they get their wish. Permanently.

 

[FlyDeltasJets]

Surplus Wrote:

"Your mec has shown their true colors, and absent any outcry from your pilot group, I have to assume that they agree with the actions of their leadership. As such, I hope that the cmr mec gets their wish. Delta pilots shouldn't be sharing a cockpit with cmr pilots. Of course, the same will be true when we start hiring again. Without tangible evidence that the cmr pilot group disagrees with their mec in this matter, I will continue to propose that we never hire another cmr pilot. I feel confident that your mec's actions will hurt their own pilot group far more than they hurt the mere handful of our pilots who would have gone to cmr."


Surplus,

There are many of us who disagree with the actions of our mec in this case - we actually believe that our union should start acting like a union and helping each other without invoking alterior motives. Unfortunately, there seems to be a veil of secrecy and vagueness surrounding our mec. While we were informed that there would be a meeting between our mec's, we weren't informed of details of discussion ahead of time (just very broad subjects) or our mec's position on these points. Only after hearing details from the DAL side, did we finally hear our mec's side of the story.

If I thought that voicing my opinion to my mec would help even in the slightest bit, I would do so. But for now, I've resigned to the fact that I will never have a shot at employment at DAL, since I will be forever villified for the uniform that I wear regardless of my stance on my mec's actions and the rjdc lawsuit.

C425Driver

C425,

You responded to Surplus, but it was I who wrote the quote. I feel for those pilots who don't agree with the actions of their representatives. However, the outcry has been pretty small. If your mec is not representing the interests of the majority of your pilots, I suggest a recall. Absent such a movement, isn't is logical to assume that your pilots support the actions of their representatives.

I harbor no ill will toward individual cmr pilots. However, your mec has made it clear that they do not want Delta pilots in cmr cockpits. Isn't is logical to assume that my mec, in response, might take the same stance?

I hope that it is worked out. I have a lot of friends at cmr, and I know a lot of great guys at Delta who came from there. I imagine that many (perhaps the majority) of your pilots disagree with the stance your mec is taking. However, I have no way of knowing that. There has been no outcry, no petitions, very few posts (except from those defending the action) on the national board, no recall effort, no tangible evidence at all that the mec is not accurately representing the interests of the cmr line pilot. Without such evidence, one can only assume that your opinion is that of only a small minority.

I commend you for your opinion and hope that this can be resolved. As it is, however, we must respect the wishes of your leadership. It is obvious that they do not want to see you sharing a cockpit with us. It's a shame.

 

[C425Driver]

FDJ Wrote:


"Ironically, that is not at all what you asked for in your suit. Sorry, but I am not ready to trust your good intentions simply because you ask me to. I am especially wary of someone's motives when they are suing our union for $12,000,000 for EACH cmr pilot, a total of about $15,000,000,000."


FDJ,

We were informed that only named plaintiffs can collect this money from the lawsuit (IF they win). That is why the rjdc was looking to add more plaintiffs to the lawsuit last year - so they could intimidate ALPA with the threat of a bigger payout. As of right now, there are only 3 plaintiffs. If the judge allows it, there will be another 300 plaintiffs added. The other 1200-1300 of us decided not to be part of their lawsuit.

C425Driver

 

[FlyDeltasJets]

C425,

If you are correct, that would certainly make me feel better. I do not doubt your word, but I wonder from where you got that information?

The relief section of the suit asks for $12,000,000 for every cmr pilot. I would be very happy to hear that this is not allowed.

Thanks for the info, and I commend you for staying away from the rjdc bunch. If they get their way, you won't have to worry about getting hired anywhere else. The only people who would ever hire again would be the lowest bidder. Some career, huh?

Thanks again.

 

[C425Driver]

FDJ,

Sorry about misquoting the wrong source.

Our mec's term is up very shortly. By the time we go through the steps of a recall, their term will be over and we will have a new mec in place. I just hope that our new mec will actually take an interest in actively seeking out the opinion of our pilot group as a whole before acting on such important issues. Until our new mec is in place, any outcry that you suggest would fall on deaf ears.

As for your mec not wanting us in your cockpits, I understand that - I don't like it, but I understand it. My point was that there are many of us who disagree with our mec's decision to handle this situation that way they did and now we must live with the consequenses of their actions.

C425Driver

 

[C425Driver]

FDJ wrote:

"If you are correct, that would certainly make me feel better. I do not doubt your word, but I wonder from where you got that information?

The relief section of the suit asks for $12,000,000 for every cmr pilot. I would be very happy to hear that this is not allowed."


I didn't put my source in the last post for a reason - it came from the rjdc (I know, I know....). I've listened to what they've said and I have no reason to doubt them on this one.

If anyone can back this up with more credible (legal) references, I'd like to hear them. But for now, there are 1200-1300 of us who are not planning on getting a dime from this lawsuit.

C425Driver

 

[FlyDeltasJets]

C425,

I would love to believe that there are "many" of you who do not support the actions of your mec. Unfortunately, yours is one of the first posts I have read questioning their them. It would be nice if you were not, as they say, a lone voice in the wilderness.

If "many" of your pilots are upset at this stance, why aren't they speaking up? Your post is one of the only things that I have seen which would indicate that they don't have complete support, and believe me, I have been looking!

Perhaps a petition is in order? It might go a long way towards alleviating any tension between our pilot groups if we knew the actions of your mec did not reflect the wishes of their membership.

I hope this gets resolved, as I have had some pretty good layovers with some pretty cool ex-cmr guys.

 

[surplus1]

Surplus,

As far as the statement that "no Comair pilot wants to fly for Delta" that was reported in the Widget. I'm know you disagree with the validity of the statement but it was in print.

Yes it was. About all I can do is remind you that the Widget is a political publication of the Delta MEC. Political organs seldom deal with facts, they deal with "spin". I've read many "stories" in the Widget and a few more in the Roar from 44. They remind me of the FOX News network and the "O'Reilly factor." He says it is where the spin ends. I say it is where the sping begins. Both perspectives are a matter of opinion.

I agree with you that whether is was actually said or not is of little consequence.

What is important is everything going on between our MECs may adversely effect a young Comair pilot's potential employment with Delta. No our MEC does not control the Delta Pilot hiring process. However, Delta pilots are VERY involved in the hiring process of new Delta pilots as I'm sure is the case in most places. Bad blood between our groups can adversley effect a candidates outcome. It is human nature.

Well, candidly if something going on between our MEC's negatively affects young Comair pilots in the future, that's nothing new. The decisions of your MEC have been adversely affecting every Comair pilot for a long time.

When you and others tell me that disagreements between our MEC's can adversely affect the potential future employment of youg Comair pilots, what you're really doing is threatening me. You are telling me that unless my MEC agrees with whatever your MEC happens to want, your group is going to "take it out" on individual Comair pilots and black-ball them in the future. Candidly that's not going to get you anywhere and it's not going to improve our relations.

I feel that is exactly why your MEC got nowhere in this case. You came in demanding and makeing threats about what you would do if we did not agree to what you wanted. The result was ... we did not agree and you struck out. I don't blame our MEC one bit for that.

I am not on the CMR MEC, but if I were and you came at me with that attitude, I would tell you to pack sand in a heartbeat. Since I'm not unfamiliar with your MEC's tactics I'm not at all surprised. Not everyone cowers when confronted by a bully. Some folks punch the bully in the nose. Comair pilots are numbered among those who do not cringe. We have faced far greater threats than those wielded by the Delta MEC.

For what it is worth, I don't know the exact numbers but there are many former Comair and ASA pilots on the mainline. And while we may not be the only airline out there, I still think it is a pretty d@mn good one to fly for...warts and all.

I know there are quite a few former ASA pilots and some former Comair pilots at Delta. I also agree that Delta is a very fine Company to work for and may well be the "best" of the major airlines. You have every reason to be proud. However, that has little to do with the Delta pilot group and nothing at all to do with the Delta MEC.

Fly safe.

 

[skiddriver]

C425,

If "many" of your pilots are upset at this stance, why aren't they speaking up? Your post is one of the only things that I have seen which would indicate that they don't have complete support, and believe me, I have been looking!

You can't have been looking that hard - see my post about four below yours:

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=14929&perpage=25&pagenumber=3

There have been several other posts on here from other Comair pilots who feel the same way.

I haven't changed my opinion, but it is also pretty obvious that you guys have earned some of the emnity you find on this board as you post your juvenile "nyah nyah nyah - you'll never work at Delta" posts and try and bully a bunch of young pilots who's only crime is hiring on with one of the few stable and hiring companies available to them. Yeah, that's guaranteed to start a union mutiny at Comair.

 

[surplus1]

Surplus Wrote:
"Your mec has shown their true colors, and absent any outcry from your pilot group, I have to assume that they agree with the actions of their leadership. As such, I hope that the cmr mec gets their wish. Delta pilots shouldn't be sharing a cockpit with cmr pilots. Of course, the same will be true when we start hiring again. Without tangible evidence that the cmr pilot group disagrees with their mec in this matter, I will continue to propose that we never hire another cmr pilot. I feel confident that your mec's actions will hurt their own pilot group far more than they hurt the mere handful of our pilots who would have gone to cmr."

Actually C425, if you check again you will see that I did not write the above paragraph. That was written by FlyDeltasJets. Apparently there was an error in your cut-and-paste technique. If you really want to quote me, please try again.

Surplus,

There are many of us who disagree with the actions of our mec in this case - we actually believe that our union should start acting like a union and helping each other without invoking alterior motives. Unfortunately, there seems to be a veil of secrecy and vagueness surrounding our mec. While we were informed that there would be a meeting between our mec's, we weren't informed of details of discussion ahead of time (just very broad subjects) or our mec's position on these points. Only after hearing details from the DAL side, did we finally hear our mec's side of the story.

I respect your right to disagree with the MEC's decision. Perhaps if you care to give me an idea of how long you have been a Comair pilot, I could reach a better understanding of why you disagree. For the record, I don't always agree with MEC decisions either, but I do agree with this one.

I'm sorry that you feel there is a "veil of secrecy and vagueness" surrounding the Comair MEC. I do not share that opinion. I've been a Comair pilot for 15 years and have not encountered the situation you describe. The MEC, be it the CMR MEC or any other MEC, is not always able to conduct it's business in public. In most cases it is not possible to inform the pilot group "ahead of time" of the details of future discussions, be they with the Company, with other MEC's or internal. Usually the MEC itself is unaware of "the details" before the fact.

Do you believe that the Delta MEC informed Delta pilots of the details of the discussion before it took place? That would mean they are clairvoyant. I can assure you that they are not. Was the Delta pilot group at large informed that there would be a meeting, when it would occur, who would attend and what they would say before the fact or did they learn about it when their MEC's threat to "go public" was carried out and its "spin" was released, after the meeting? Do you think that the Delta pilots were polled in advance to determine their position on preferential hiring of Comair pilots before the Delta MEC passed its "resolution" directing the Chariman to meet with Comair or were they informed after the resolution was already passed?

Do you believe that the Delta MEC has accurately and factually informed the Delta pilot group and you of what really happened in that meeting?

Again, I respect your opinion and your right to have it. I must also tell you that I don't believe the Delta MEC's propaganda one iota. If you do believe that, my friend you have a great deal to learn about politics. You also should take a second look at who your real friends are. When you're deciding whom to believe and whom not to believe, keep that in mind.

When you say

we actually believe that our union should start acting like a union and helping each other without invoking ulterior motives.

, what exactly do you mean? Is "our union" the ALPA? Is "our union" the Delta MEC? Is "our union" the Comair pilot group?

If your reference is to the Comair pilots' union, then I would say that our union has been trying to do exactly what you want and believe, for the last twenty years. If your reference is to the ALPA, I would say the term "union" is an oxymoron. If your reference is to the Delta MEC, then I'll leave the answer to the Delta pilots. I can't judge them, they must do that themselves.

If I thought that voicing my opinion to my mec would help even in the slightest bit, I would do so. But for now, I've resigned to the fact that I will never have a shot at employment at DAL, since I will be forever villified for the uniform that I wear regardless of my stance on my mec's actions and the rjdc lawsuit.

If you truly do not know that voicing your opinion to your MEC will indeed have an effect, then my opinion would be that you have not been a Comair pilot for very long. Give it a try. You will not always get what you want, simply because there are 1500 of us and we each have at least two differing opinions on just about everything. However, the CMR MEC works for Comair pilots and I know from personal experience that it not only listens to the opinions of the pilot group, but actively solicits them. If that were not the case, we could never have possessed the solidarity that was demonstrated before and during our unfortunate strike. I'm not a member of the MEC, but I know that the opinions of pilots are welcome and the door is wide open to all of us.

If your goal is future employment at Delta, then you resign yourself far too easily to accepting the rhetoric of a few disgruntled Delta pilots as being the end of your opportunity. Don't let them sell you that pig in a poke quite so readily.

Please try to recognize that the purpose and intent of the Delta pilots rhetoric on this issue, as well as the Delta MEC's propaganda and spin, is and orchestrated and concerted effort to divide the Comair pilot group against itself and its MEC, so as to facilitate the imposition of the Delta MEC's agenda. Don't fall so easily into that political trap. They are deliberately trying to divide us ... don't let them.

If it is true that your stance with respect to your MEC's actions or the current RJDC litigation will actually preclude your consideration for future employment by Delta Air Lines, then perhaps you should take a second look at your ambition to join a group that would act in that way against individual pilots about whose political position they have little or no knowledge. My friend, "all that glitters is not gold."

Best regards and thank you for voicing your opinions.

Fraternally,
Surplus1

 

[FlyDeltasJets]

You can't have been looking that hard - see my post about four below yours:

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=14929&perpage=25&pagenumber=3

There have been several other posts on here from other Comair pilots who feel the same way.

Skid,

I think that you'll find that I said that C's post was "one of" the only signs I have seen.

As for the rest of your post, I think that blame lies with your mec, not our pilots. After all, we are just doing as they ask.

Thank you for your opinion, and thank you for making it known to your mec. If enough of your pilots do the same, perhaps they would abandon their divisive and petty stance.