retired airline pilots at NJA?

[d91papa]

About the 70% 'other than flying ' duties we do here at NetJets...just the other day I realized I had obtained another skill since being a NetJet SIC, that of flight attendant and aircraft detailer. That bottle of water trick to clean out the lav is priceless! But can someone tell me how they can tell when a terry cloth towel is truly soiled or just wrinkled? Has anyone on the XL ever compiled a list of quantity and location of each stocked item?

 

[DO-82 driver]

d91,

I believe if you look in the GOM in the forward closet of the XL you will find the type, number and location of the standard stock items.

One of the cleaners in CMH enlightened me to this last tour.

 

[IDEtoNJA]

d91,

You can look up the stock list on CrewOps. They have an excel sheet for each fleet.

 

[Humphreybogart]

I'm getting ready to retire from NW with 28 years of experience and about 25,ooo hours. Is NJA hiring old guys? (I'm 57 and taking an early retirement). When is the current contract up for negotiations?

I think you airline guys need to learn alot about the fractional world, no matter what company you apply to. It's ALOT easier at the airlines because there is always someone at the airlines holding your hand. It's a whole different game when you have to make the decisions by yourself, i.e. wet runway numbers on a 5000 foot strip, if I get into ASE, can I get out, etc. It's not a free ride here in the fractional world, you will have to work here, Kid.

 

[RNObased]

I think you airline guys need to learn alot about the fractional world, no matter what company you apply to. It's ALOT easier at the airlines because there is always someone at the airlines holding your hand. It's a whole different game when you have to make the decisions by yourself, i.e. wet runway numbers on a 5000 foot strip, if I get into ASE, can I get out, etc. It's not a free ride here in the fractional world, you will have to work here, Kid.

Yes, it is a whole different world from the airlines, but it isn't rocket science. I figure if Bogart can learn to fly at the fractionals ANYONE can.

 

[CE750Driver]

I think you airline guys need to learn a lot about the fractional world, no matter what company you apply to. It's ALOT easier at the airlines because there is always someone at the airlines holding your hand. It's a whole different game when you have to make the decisions by yourself, i.e. wet runway numbers on a 5000 foot strip, if I get into ASE, can I get out, etc. It's not a free ride here in the fractional world, you will have to work here, Kid.

Hey Bogusart, at NJA we have licensed dispatchers for all that, although the PIC checks them, just like the "airline guys". Also I see you have ignored every other post. I am an 8 year captain at NJA. Wanna compare W2'S with a whiny union boy? Thought not.

BAAAAAA HAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAAAA

 

[Spooky 2]

Dispatchers at NJ

I think you airline guys need to learn alot about the fractional world, no matter what company you apply to. It's ALOT easier at the airlines because there is always someone at the airlines holding your hand. It's a whole different game when you have to make the decisions by yourself, i.e. wet runway numbers on a 5000 foot strip, if I get into ASE, can I get out, etc. It's not a free ride here in the fractional world, you will have to work here, Kid.

It probably is a lot easier than the airlines....so what? Tell me the difference between a Hawker 800 on an icey 5000' runway at Aspen and a B747-400 taking off at Anchorage in similar conditions. They both require an dedicated crew effort to takeoff safely. I assume that NJ has dispatchers? Do they have any role in this process or is it left totally to the discretion of the crew and if that is the case I suspect that you are probably using some aircraft specific performance tool to do this task. Or, maybe the dispatcher sends you data on the BB?? In either case it is still incumbent upon the crew to check the data, especially if it is a critical takeoff. In 121 ops the dispatcher shares responsibility for the flight. Is this the case at NJ?

For the record I'm a retired 121 guy and operate an airplane that is 100% self dispatched, i.e., no dispathers. THis includes all performance data, W&B, flight planning, etc. It was not a huge jump to learn how we operate, but rather simply a willingness to learn a few new tricks. I think most 121 guys coming to NJ are capable in spite of what Bogart implies.

As I had said earlier, the few guys I know that have gone to NJ think the operation is extremely well run and the pilots they share the cockpits with are for the most part extremely pleasant to fly with, both from an ability stand point as well as simply being good folks to be around.

 

[DO-82 driver]

Spooky.....

Youn can't take anything Bogart put here seriously. He is strickly for entertainment purposes.

He has a cronic case of diarhea of the mouth and actually uses Immodium as a mouthwash every day.

 

[skiandsurf]

I think you airline guys need to learn alot about the fractional world, no matter what company you apply to. It's ALOT easier at the airlines because there is always someone at the airlines holding your hand. It's a whole different game when you have to make the decisions by yourself, i.e. wet runway numbers on a 5000 foot strip, if I get into ASE, can I get out, etc. It's not a free ride here in the fractional world, you will have to work here, Kid.

Kid, I dont know what your problem is, but you have problems. I just saw your thread under "majors", and I am not sure what your issue with airline guys are.

You say that you have to make decisions on your own at the Fractionals. I am not sure what fractional that you work for, but I work at NJs, and we have have 47 (or more) chief pilots to always help you out. When I was going thru newhire class, with a big number of former airline guys, we were amazed that you are required to call a chief pilot for everything. We started joking that during our "lets take a 15 minute break", that we had to call the chief pilot to see if I was allowed to take a crap. If you have a maintenance problem, you have to call the chief pilot before you write it up. In the airline that I worked at, we would call maintenance control for maintenance issues.

Here at NJs we dont have schedulers that we call, we call Flight managers.

Bottom line, its the same job with a different way of doing things. NJs was built and designed for low time, inexperienced pilots that have to call chief pilots for every decision. Airlines were designed to have higher time pilots, but also has the required support while on the road.

 

[Archie Bunker]

Spooky and Ski/surf,

Don't waste another keystroke responding to Bogart. This guy is the biggest jerk, and resident loser on flightinfo (and there are quite a few of them), that uses his "rapier wit" and condescending attitude to stir the pot every chance he gets. Throw in a little anti-union rhetoric, and you will have seen all that he has to offer these boards.

I think this guy works at CS (but don't quote me on that), and has probably been turned down by any and every major airline in existence. This would explain his vitriolic attitude towards anything pertaining to the airline world.

As DO-82 alluded to.....his posts are for the limited entertainment value that they provide from time to time.

 

[Diesel]

To see what a ****************************** humphry is nobody needs to look any farther than this thread.

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=90860

 

[hopalong]

No offense Sewept, but an ILS is an ILS or VOR is a VOR, when was the last time you saw an airline guy shoot a circling(most airlines won't allow it) or an NDB again most airlines won't allow it. Ask an airline gut to figure out fuel or flight plan or a simple thing like know where when and how to get coffee, ice and papers EFFICIENTLY. ETC, ETC.

Look I think airline guys have experience sure, however if I had to pick I would take a Corporate guy or girl who's been doing it from the start. They were dedicated to Corporate from the start.

Look at it this way, its not just having a person next to you to help you with (as you put it) the night garbage weather while circling. What if you also had the person next to you who did there job very efficiently(coffe, ice, papers,catering issues, cleaning the plane, stocking, ordering fuel, ETC.) and allowed you to get out quick to avoid the weather here, there or avoid slot time issues and still assisting you with no problems on approaches late.
No offense Art, but I've shot more than my share of night, garbage weather, circling approaches here at Netjets. I want the most EXPERIENCED pilots we can hire sitting in my right or left seat. Airline guys suit me just fine.[/quote]

 

[milehigh6080]

What does the quality of the pilot have to do with what kind of job he has done previously? A good pilot is a good pilot. A bad pilot is a bad pilot. It's as simple as that, and it has nothing to do with what you've been doing to earn your paycheck.

A quality pilot will have no problem adapting to a new situation. Anyone who is flying professionally is getting enough experience that it shouldn't be too hard to transfer whatever skills are currently being used to new areas or areas which haven't been used in a while. A good pilot can do that. A bad pilot, regardless of background, may just never be able to "get it" no matter how much experience he has with something.

Nothing replaces judgement and a good attitude, anyone can learn to be a good stick- especially someone who has some skill and talent for it, it's just a matter of adapting to a new situation. Assuming that you can judge the quality of a pilot based on the type of flying he's currently doing is no more accurate than judging a pilot by the color of their skin, their gender, their height, or any other arbitrary measure.

That being said, freight pilots are the best. (I know some people here are dense- so just to be clear, that's a joke)

 

[gunfyter]

I'd take the military guys. Especially Marines.

 

[FLYLOW22]

I'd take the military guys. Especially Marines.

May the Swartz be with you then... give them something with trailing link.

 

[hopalong]

I does agree Milehigh6080. I was replying to what Swept had said only airline guys next to him.

And for the record I flew a Banderiante for a little over 2 years in Sh%@ weather, unpersurized, in ice all the time while flying through yellow weather 1/3 the time with half the equipment MEL'D(boss said time was money). Would I do it again certainly not if I didn't have too, but the experience was priceless.

 

[Diesel]

So hopalong you worked for AirNow?

 

[hopalong]

No, but close. A company called SAS. If I had to pick the best 135 freight ops. it would be SAS. When AirNow shut down there engines smoked. True story, they were our competitors so companies would hire both of us if it were alot of freight. This happen quite often, and they smoked. We used to joke around about it all the time.

Did you work in the Great Lakes Region Before NJ?

 

[Diesel]

No just NE

 

[GVFlyer]

I'd take the military guys. Especially Marines.

Good call, Guns!



GV