retired airline pilots at NJA?

[old*art]

I stick with the popsicle sticks and duct tape .. lots cheaper if they dont mind the splinters

 

[hydrarkt]

Quote:
Originally Posted by hydrarkt
And another thing!! What the hell are "quotation maks?"

It's an ancient form of spelling first seen in primary education during the early 50's!

Boy are you dumb!! Take a look at the spelling, moron. I'll break it down for you.......... "maks" is NOT a word. Do you see it?? No??... idiot!!!

 

[flexpilot]

All great comments.

The retired guys are great! There may be one here and there that is a pill.

Schleping bags? We do it together so nobody gets hurt.

I just made Cpt on the Sovereign (still deployed so it will be awhile til I see it).

It has a ******************** load of baggage space, therefore we work together as a crew.



Welcome retired guys!

I think your FO is going to load the bags....unless you have a step ladder!!!


Just kidding, welcome back and thank you for your service my friend!!!

 

[Semore Butts]

Flex......OOOOOOCCCCHHHH!!!!!

Thats true! My vertically challenged stature makes handling the bags tough!

But hey, I can probably stand up in the Sovereign baggage compartment!

Mostly, I'm not gonna risk messing up my back in any way (mess it up any more then it already is!)

Just ripped the zipper off my cool Flexjet Perone jacket unloading a "commo box" from the aircraft.

I wish Netjets would go with the leather jackets.

 

[milehigh6080]

Quote:
Originally Posted by hydrarkt
And another thing!! What the hell are "quotation maks?"








Boy are you dumb!! Take a look at the spelling, moron. I'll break it down for you.......... "maks" is NOT a word. Do you see it?? No??... idiot!!!

Is that really called for? Who pissed in your cornflakes?

 

[FLYLOW22]

If the FAA changes age 60 to 65 for Part 121, it's going to make hiring at NJA... more interesting.

 

[Ultra Grump]

Boy are you dumb!! Take a look at the spelling, moron. I'll break it down for you.......... "maks" is NOT a word. Do you see it?? No??... idiot!!!

Hey dude, I think he knows that - he's making fun of himself. Chill...

 

[AMRCostUnit]

Question for the retiring guys:

Why fractionals? Just to stay in the states? Fewer time zones?

Are there not more lucrative opportunities in the contract market with your 747 type and PIC? I have heard of some sweet deals with Korean Air Cargo and the like.

Just wonderin'
Unit

For the young guys...don't depend on anyone but yourself for retirement. Us old(er) heads are proving that out for you. I am forturnate; I have time but got a bit of a late start...

 

[Bronco Buster]

It's not just about money. For me not having to commute and live where I want is priceless. Also, I've been in love with flying for over 40 years, and the fractional kind of flying seems very interesting and at times challenging. The 7 and 7 schedule is also a big plus.

 

[hydrarkt]

Is that really called for? Who pissed in your cornflakes?

If you have been reading the thread, HE pissed in my cornflakes. As they say, if you live in a glass house......

 

[CE750Driver]

Wow, never seen HumpreyBogusgart, shut up so quick. Although if he was asked to compare W2's to a Netjets pilot with equal time, I bet not a word would be heard either..........

Unions suck

Baaaaa haaaaa haaaaaa haaaaaaa haaaaaa!

 

[Cargoav8or]

Its those union babies that drive wages up. If it weren't for the unions you would be working for popcorn. Some dudes get a bit extreme, but the unions definitely have their place in aviation. Give credit where credit is due.

Just stay away from CitationShares...PLEASE. We don't need any spoiled union babies here. Good luck at netjets, though...Kid

 

[DO-82 driver]

Please...don't take Bogart seriously. Take him for the joke he is.

He still believes his raise had absolutely nothing to do with NJA getting our contract ratified.

If you really want to laugh ask him why CS doesn't really want to turn a profit. That's a good one!!!!!

 

[Cargoav8or]

Roger that.

Please...don't take Bogart seriously. Take him for the joke he is.

He still believes his raise had absolutely nothing to do with NJA getting our contract ratified.

If you really want to laugh ask him why CS doesn't really want to turn a profit. That's a good one!!!!!

 

[Flynetjets]

I think about 50 to 60 percents of the retired pilots that we have at Netjets do a great job. In my experience, it is those pilots that have had a good career (yes there are a few out there) seem to have the best attitude. Also, those pilots who have done their research prior to applying to Netjets also are very happy and do a great job.

That being said, I have spent many 7 day tours with retired airline pilots who should not be here, and make everything and everyone miserable around them. This is NOT a job where you enter the aircraft and turn left. Nor is this a corporate type job where you will fly one leg a day. In my prior aircraft the X (where a lot of the new hire retired airline pilots are placed), expect to fly 3-4 legs a day, average 5-7 hours of flying a day, which includes, loading baggage, wiping down the lav 3-4 times a day, cleaning the inside 3-4 times a day, cleaning up the disasters left by our owners kids, restocking 3-4 times a day, plus doing all the pilot stuff. Do expect to work hard, and 70% of your workload will not include your flying duties.

Yes the company makes some stupid decisions, and things don't make sense sometimes on the road, but you have to be able to roll with the punches. If you are the type of individual who does not like to deal with change, do not come here, if you are the type of individual who does not like customer service, do not come here, if you are the type of person who does not like/mind wiping down the lav and the cabin, do not come here, if you are above loading bags, do not come here (or any fractional).

I recently flew with a retired airline pilot who thought it was below him to load bags, and indicated that he was simply here for the medical insurance.

So please do your research, and I am glad that you are on the this message board asking questions. I am sure you will do fine at Netjets, however please help educate your friends who might work at your company or others, this is not a retirement job where you can take it easy and fly cool business jets. When your partner refuses to do their job, it really makes the other person miserable.

I hope this helps.

 

[Spooky 2]

Quote:
Originally Posted by hydrarkt
And another thing!! What the hell are "quotation maks?"








Boy are you dumb!! Take a look at the spelling, moron. I'll break it down for you.......... "maks" is NOT a word. Do you see it?? No??... idiot!!!

Man you need to chill out and throttle way back. If you are the typicall NJ pilot, which I doubt, you must be a lot of fun on a seven day trip. Name calling and over the top attitude are indicative of a social disorder.

 

[DO-82 driver]

Actually, Hydrarkt is absolutely wonderful to fly with. They don't get any more laid back and mellow.

 

[SeaSpray]

Actually, Hydrarkt is absolutely wonderful to fly with. They don't get any more laid back and mellow.

I find it pretty odd that mister "laid back and mellow" is confrontationally obsessing over Spooky 2 misspelling a word.


SS

 

[DO-82 driver]

Hey, we all need a hobby!!!!

 

[Diesel]

Ha calling Hydrkt uptight is like calling humphry a union member in good standing.

 

[d91papa]

About the 70% 'other than flying ' duties we do here at NetJets...just the other day I realized I had obtained another skill since being a NetJet SIC, that of flight attendant and aircraft detailer. That bottle of water trick to clean out the lav is priceless! But can someone tell me how they can tell when a terry cloth towel is truly soiled or just wrinkled? Has anyone on the XL ever compiled a list of quantity and location of each stocked item?

 

[DO-82 driver]

d91,

I believe if you look in the GOM in the forward closet of the XL you will find the type, number and location of the standard stock items.

One of the cleaners in CMH enlightened me to this last tour.

 

[IDEtoNJA]

d91,

You can look up the stock list on CrewOps. They have an excel sheet for each fleet.

 

[Humphreybogart]

I'm getting ready to retire from NW with 28 years of experience and about 25,ooo hours. Is NJA hiring old guys? (I'm 57 and taking an early retirement). When is the current contract up for negotiations?

I think you airline guys need to learn alot about the fractional world, no matter what company you apply to. It's ALOT easier at the airlines because there is always someone at the airlines holding your hand. It's a whole different game when you have to make the decisions by yourself, i.e. wet runway numbers on a 5000 foot strip, if I get into ASE, can I get out, etc. It's not a free ride here in the fractional world, you will have to work here, Kid.

 

[RNObased]

I think you airline guys need to learn alot about the fractional world, no matter what company you apply to. It's ALOT easier at the airlines because there is always someone at the airlines holding your hand. It's a whole different game when you have to make the decisions by yourself, i.e. wet runway numbers on a 5000 foot strip, if I get into ASE, can I get out, etc. It's not a free ride here in the fractional world, you will have to work here, Kid.

Yes, it is a whole different world from the airlines, but it isn't rocket science. I figure if Bogart can learn to fly at the fractionals ANYONE can.

 

[CE750Driver]

I think you airline guys need to learn a lot about the fractional world, no matter what company you apply to. It's ALOT easier at the airlines because there is always someone at the airlines holding your hand. It's a whole different game when you have to make the decisions by yourself, i.e. wet runway numbers on a 5000 foot strip, if I get into ASE, can I get out, etc. It's not a free ride here in the fractional world, you will have to work here, Kid.

Hey Bogusart, at NJA we have licensed dispatchers for all that, although the PIC checks them, just like the "airline guys". Also I see you have ignored every other post. I am an 8 year captain at NJA. Wanna compare W2'S with a whiny union boy? Thought not.

BAAAAAA HAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAAAA

 

[Spooky 2]

Dispatchers at NJ

I think you airline guys need to learn alot about the fractional world, no matter what company you apply to. It's ALOT easier at the airlines because there is always someone at the airlines holding your hand. It's a whole different game when you have to make the decisions by yourself, i.e. wet runway numbers on a 5000 foot strip, if I get into ASE, can I get out, etc. It's not a free ride here in the fractional world, you will have to work here, Kid.

It probably is a lot easier than the airlines....so what? Tell me the difference between a Hawker 800 on an icey 5000' runway at Aspen and a B747-400 taking off at Anchorage in similar conditions. They both require an dedicated crew effort to takeoff safely. I assume that NJ has dispatchers? Do they have any role in this process or is it left totally to the discretion of the crew and if that is the case I suspect that you are probably using some aircraft specific performance tool to do this task. Or, maybe the dispatcher sends you data on the BB?? In either case it is still incumbent upon the crew to check the data, especially if it is a critical takeoff. In 121 ops the dispatcher shares responsibility for the flight. Is this the case at NJ?

For the record I'm a retired 121 guy and operate an airplane that is 100% self dispatched, i.e., no dispathers. THis includes all performance data, W&B, flight planning, etc. It was not a huge jump to learn how we operate, but rather simply a willingness to learn a few new tricks. I think most 121 guys coming to NJ are capable in spite of what Bogart implies.

As I had said earlier, the few guys I know that have gone to NJ think the operation is extremely well run and the pilots they share the cockpits with are for the most part extremely pleasant to fly with, both from an ability stand point as well as simply being good folks to be around.

 

[DO-82 driver]

Spooky.....

Youn can't take anything Bogart put here seriously. He is strickly for entertainment purposes.

He has a cronic case of diarhea of the mouth and actually uses Immodium as a mouthwash every day.

 

[skiandsurf]

I think you airline guys need to learn alot about the fractional world, no matter what company you apply to. It's ALOT easier at the airlines because there is always someone at the airlines holding your hand. It's a whole different game when you have to make the decisions by yourself, i.e. wet runway numbers on a 5000 foot strip, if I get into ASE, can I get out, etc. It's not a free ride here in the fractional world, you will have to work here, Kid.

Kid, I dont know what your problem is, but you have problems. I just saw your thread under "majors", and I am not sure what your issue with airline guys are.

You say that you have to make decisions on your own at the Fractionals. I am not sure what fractional that you work for, but I work at NJs, and we have have 47 (or more) chief pilots to always help you out. When I was going thru newhire class, with a big number of former airline guys, we were amazed that you are required to call a chief pilot for everything. We started joking that during our "lets take a 15 minute break", that we had to call the chief pilot to see if I was allowed to take a crap. If you have a maintenance problem, you have to call the chief pilot before you write it up. In the airline that I worked at, we would call maintenance control for maintenance issues.

Here at NJs we dont have schedulers that we call, we call Flight managers.

Bottom line, its the same job with a different way of doing things. NJs was built and designed for low time, inexperienced pilots that have to call chief pilots for every decision. Airlines were designed to have higher time pilots, but also has the required support while on the road.

 

[Archie Bunker]

Spooky and Ski/surf,

Don't waste another keystroke responding to Bogart. This guy is the biggest jerk, and resident loser on flightinfo (and there are quite a few of them), that uses his "rapier wit" and condescending attitude to stir the pot every chance he gets. Throw in a little anti-union rhetoric, and you will have seen all that he has to offer these boards.

I think this guy works at CS (but don't quote me on that), and has probably been turned down by any and every major airline in existence. This would explain his vitriolic attitude towards anything pertaining to the airline world.

As DO-82 alluded to.....his posts are for the limited entertainment value that they provide from time to time.