retired airline pilots at NJA?

[GVFlyer]

How does one 'prematurely' reach age 60?

It's a joke, papa.

It just means he isn't ready to retire from American Airlines, but he has to because of the US's mandatory retirement age of 60 for airline pilots.


GV

 

[Humphreybogart]

I'm getting ready to retire from NW with 28 years of experience and about 25,ooo hours. Is NJA hiring old guys? (I'm 57 and taking an early retirement). When is the current contract up for negotiations?

Just stay away from CitationShares...PLEASE. We don't need any spoiled union babies here. Good luck at netjets, though...Kid

 

[TORCH67]

I have flown with retired airline guys that act younger and work harder than the 20 something God's gift to aviation types. It's all about the attitude!!! I don't know how some of these guys 65+ do this job, but my hat is off to the ones that do!

As far as attitude, bogart you are an idiot!

 

[Archer38416]

Just stay away from CitationShares...PLEASE. We don't need any spoiled union babies here. Good luck at netjets, though...Kid

I would be happy to stay away from CitationShares to stay away from your cancerous attitude. Funny how you called me kid, I was flying Counter terroist agents in South America when you were probably in diapers cheers

 

[Spooky 2]

Come on guys

It's hard to not jump all over some guys on this thread but the reality is that many guys who retired from the airlines, some at age 60, some earlier than that have done evreything and more, than any 30+ old fractional Captain. Be it Vietnam, slogging bags at some 1st generation frieght outfit, or simply flying long tough trips at some out of business airlines like Tower, TIA, or whomever. No one in this business has an exclusive on skills, attitude, or character and that's one of the things that makes this an intersting career choice. Not always pretty, but usually always interesting. So for those of you who come to this string with lots of opinions and more that a fair amount of attitude, why don't you throttle back a little and see if you can learn from each and every pilot you fly with, be it good or bad, but at least learn how to appreciate the significant experience(s) that all pilots bring to the cockpit.

I have friends that fly for NJ and for the most part they are really impressed with the quality of the PIC's that they fly with. Once and while they get some guy that acts like a real prima donna, or is scared of his own shaddow, or seems to be working every angle to screw over the company in some manner. Those can create some very long seven day events. Fortunetly, those types seem to be the exception to the rule, and all in all they are very pleased to be part of the NJ pilot group.

I use to fly with alot of guys who were WWll vintage pilots, some even were airline pilots before WWll. Many had flown B17's over Europe, B29's in the Pacific, or P51's, P47's. Several of them had been German POWs for a good part of the war including our VP of Flight Operations. I was full of my self in those days so I failed to learn more about their experiences in aviation prior to being an airline pilots Most of them have passed on today so it's to late now, but I wished I had listened a little more carefully, instead of just wondering if I was going to get laid that night by one of the Stew's! I'll say one thing for sure, the characters in those days were a real hoot when they got going. Enough for the moment.

Yes, I'm an old guy by anyone's standards on this board. Had a great airline career and have enjoyed the corporate side of life for about six years now. Don't expect any tears when I leave, but I can give and take with any of pilots out there as far as being both a professional and a pilot who cares about the future of avaiation and the people that are attracted to it.

 

[RTRHD]

Well said Spooky. I learned to listen and remember those stories. They are better than the out of gas Viper Hawker stories I got.

 

[hopalong]

It's hard to not jump all over some guys on this thread but the reality is that many guys who retired from the airlines, some at age 60, some earlier than that have done evreything and more, than any 30+ old fractional Captain. Be it Vietnam, slogging bags at some 1st generation frieght outfit, or simply flying long tough trips at some out of business airlines like Tower, TIA, or whomever. No one in this business has an exclusive on skills, attitude, or character and that's one of the things that makes this an intersting career choice. Not always pretty, but usually always interesting. So for those of you who come to this string with lots of opinions and more that a fair amount of attitude, why don't you throttle back a little and see if you can learn from each and every pilot you fly with, be it good or bad, but at least learn how to appreciate the significant experience(s) that all pilots bring to the cockpit.

I have friends that fly for NJ and for the most part they are really impressed with the quality of the PIC's that they fly with. Once and while they get some guy that acts like a real prima donna, or is scared of his own shaddow, or seems to be working every angle to screw over the company in some manner. Those can create some very long seven day events. Fortunetly, those types seem to be the exception to the rule, and all in all they are very pleased to be part of the NJ pilot group.

I use to fly with alot of guys who were WWll vintage pilots, some even were airline pilots before WWll. Many had flown B17's over Europe, B29's in the Pacific, or P51's, P47's. Several of them had been German POWs for a good part of the war including our VP of Flight Operations. I was full of my self in those days so I failed to learn more about their experiences in aviation prior to being an airline pilots Most of them have passed on today so it's to late now, but I wished I had listened a little more carefully, instead of just wondering if I was going to get laid that night by one of the Stew's! I'll say one thing for sure, the characters in those days were a real hoot when they got going. Enough for the moment.

Yes, I'm an old guy by anyone's standards on this board. Had a great airline career and have enjoyed the corporate side of life for about six years now. Don't expect any tears when I leave, but I can give and take with any of pilots out there as far as being both a professional and a pilot who cares about the future of avaiation and the people that are attracted to it.

Nicely said. Great post. So far, I've flown w/ the older guys and they have some great stories to share. We can all benefit from their years of wisdom.

 

[TurboJetCpt]

The funny thing is, all of the "never-been-to-a-major-airline-cause-none-of-them-ever-hired-my-stupid-ass," dorks are the ones who are talking the biggest crapolla. The difference is that the retired/furloughed airline folk have MORE experience than they will ever have, and they just love that the post-9/11 airline industry has changed the hiring dynamics, which, btw, BY PURE LUCK, has also put them at the top of the aviation food chain. Believe me, back then nobody was busting down the door to get INTO Executive Jet. Well, SOME were...LOL. A 777 captain retiring today PROBABLY has a more diverse aviation experience than MOST fractional pilots today. Note that I did not say ALL. When the furloughs began after 9/11, the funniest, albeit most annoying, comments came from these same folks. "Well, I didn't go to Delta/American/United because I knew Executive Jet had a real future." PUHHHLEEEEEASE ! :laugh: And that is when this place was not a good place to work (pre 91k, horrible pay, gateways, etc). Having said all of that, the VAST majority of the pilots here (regardless of background) are SUPERB AVIATORS !!! Welcome aboard retired airline folks...with the new union and new union leadership, there is alot to like here.

 

[Spooky 2]

And another thing!..... How many 777s do the VOR/DME A approach into TEB?

Oh my God another NP approach. Circling one at that! Pardner, most guys that are Triple 7 vintage were flying DME ARC approches probably before you soloed. Many of these were in places like Alaska, and the Western US where it's not quite as flat as it is around TEB. If you came from my airline, you were doing range approaches in Alaska as late as 1969. So, I don't what approach you are doing at TEB, it's been done before in much worse conditions. By the way these aircraft didn't have any of them there fancy picture tubes with maps or gee whiz autopilots to work with either.

 

[FLYLOW22]

The retired guys rock...

Like any statement there are caviots, exculsions and exceptions.

I have met some retired guys who only make it 1-2 years (too much labor) and I have met some that are still doing it after 8+. It all depends on the individual.

I have flown with some that were a laugh a minute and some that were still expecting a salute and a "Captain on the bridge" call everytime they entered the flightdeck. Most of the flightdecks on these airplanes ARE the airplanes!

LOVE the stories. LOVE the experience and suggestive guidance. LOVE the ability for them to look into the 8 Ball on some issues and "Call it". Hell, after being screwed over by countless management teams for decades, even an old dog can call out an old trick to avoid being kicked again.

Youthful pilots are not to be discounted here either in terms of what they bring to the pilot group. Diversity of experience and backgrounds, true diversity and not some other bogus quota is what really makes this pilot group strong.

What a retired guy MAY lack in experience on how to get a clearance through Flight Service on the phone while on the ground at Union City, TN, I am sure that most will make up for it in other areas.

Roger on the churn rate, that is cool.

I also think that the retired guys are also better suited to "adapt" to the retarded mutant of a basing system the company swears by; the Domicile system. They can still commute as retired guys space available.

 

[gunfyter]

re-tired?

Is that the same as being Tired Again?

 

[xpdriver]

I'm getting ready to retire from NW with 28 years of experience and about 25,ooo hours. Is NJA hiring old guys? (I'm 57 and taking an early retirement). When is the current contract up for negotiations?

Just remember you will have to commute to la,dal,cmh,ny,or pbi...or you might already live there. Lots of retired guys here....

 

[hydrarkt]

Oh my God another NP approach. Circling one at that! Pardner, most guys that are Triple 7 vintage were flying DME ARC approches probably before you soloed. Many of these were in places like Alaska, and the Western US where it's not quite as flat as it is around TEB. If you came from my airline, you were doing range approaches in Alaska as late as 1969. So, I don't what approach you are doing at TEB, it's been done before in much worse conditions. By the way these aircraft didn't have any of them there fancy picture tubes with maps or gee whiz autopilots to work with either.

Hey Spooky, if you notice the exclamation point (!) at the end of my first sentence, you might realize that the blurb is in jest. Blah, Blah. Big deal.. dme arc... flown em. flown AH-1s, goggles, NOE, formation, got chased by Migs all before I saw glass.
Age has nothing to do with it. Most of the retired airline guys I've flown with at NJA are great. Most are excellent pilots. Most don't mind vacuuming or sloggin bags. Occasionally there's one who has the attitude like, "I was flying DME ARC approches probably before you soloed."
Relax Francis!!!

 

[Diesel]

Look just go get a philopeno hooker and relax.

 

[Spooky 2]

Hey Spooky, if you notice the exclamation point (!) at the end of my first sentence, you might realize that the blurb is in jest. Blah, Blah. Big deal.. dme arc... flown em. flown AH-1s, goggles, NOE, formation, got chased by Migs all before I saw glass.
Age has nothing to do with it. Most of the retired airline guys I've flown with at NJA are great. Most are excellent pilots. Most don't mind vacuuming or sloggin bags. Occasionally there's one who has the attitude like, "I was flying DME ARC approches probably before you soloed."
Relax Francis!!!

So sorry. Left my quad foccles on the desk somewhere. Better check your use of quotation maks the next time though. Now where did I leave that cane I always carry with me?

 

[FLYLOW22]

So sorry. Left my quad foccles on the desk somewhere. Better check your use of quotation maks the next time though. Now where did I leave that cane I always carry with me?

Don't forget the extra O2 tank for high altitude operations and TEX overnights!! :nuts:

 

[Spooky 2]

Don't forget the extra O2 tank for high altitude operations and TEX overnights!! :nuts:

No way sonny!

 

[hydrarkt]

So sorry. Left my quad foccles on the desk somewhere. Better check your use of quotation maks the next time though. Now where did I leave that cane I always carry with me?

And another thing!! What the hell are "quotation maks?"

 

[greygoose]

Just remember you will have to commute to la,dal,cmh,ny,or pbi...or you might already live there. Lots of retired guys here....

Speaking of commuting, do you NJA guys see any "No Duty" Assignments on your day 1? Or do you always get sent out on the road on your day 1...

 

[FLYLOW22]

Speaking of commuting, do you NJA guys see any "No Duty" Assignments on your day 1? Or do you always get sent out on the road on your day 1...

Duty starts at the airport on Day 1 for your commute or 1st flight if a plane is actually there.

 

[FLYLOW22]

Duty ends on your last day prior to 14 hours or midnight when the company delivers you back to your HBA/DOMICILE.

 

[FLYLOW22]

Hell... sometimes you get assigned DUTY FROM HOME and never actually leave your house or get out of your jammies.

 

[ghostrider64]

My impression of all of our pilots is mixed. But in reference to Retired 121 guys I have a few observations.
1) They all start out very open minded and eager to learn the job 2) they tend to be slow getting the airplane ready, this isn't good or bad but it's the general rule 3) almost all of them have to work for benefits and some have to work for the extra cash 4) quite a few have hearing issues, I'm glad we yunguns learned to protect ours from day one 5) not many have told me personally how long they really plan on staying, some stay and some go, most of them are quiet about it 6) I love having someone that knows the big cities and things to do in them when we actually get enough time off, most recently during an RON in Anchorage his knowledge was very useful

Personal notes are: I'm positive the company loves having these short term highly experienced pilots in the cockpit. Strictly because they will not make the big bucks here.

Also watching these guys work for us has made me really understand that it is never in your personal best interest to rely on "the company" to control your retirements. And you better damned well take care of your financial future or you'll be schlepping bags and crap for the rich and famous and their punk ass kids when you're in your 60's. Personally I think I would shoot myself before I work one day past 60 here. But of course by the time I'm 60 I will have 4, 21 day vacations to look forward to. Something these poor 121 guys wont ever have.

 

[wolfpackpilot]

I'm all about the older guys and their experience but, it doesn't help the little fish at the bottom when you do this.

TUFF SH*T

Bring em on. Why shouldnt this guy spend his last few years actually enjoying what he always wanted to do.... fly airplanes. All those little fish back at the airline can move up a spot.

NetJets doesnt need little fish.... we need experienced, motivated, good solid pilots who want to be here. And if ol Number 9 wants to be number 3900....

Welcome Aboard

 

[FLYLOW22]

TUFF SH*T

Bring em on. Why shouldnt this guy spend his last few years actually enjoying what he always wanted to do.... fly airplanes. All those little fish back at the airline can move up a spot.

NetJets doesnt need little fish.... we need experienced, motivated, good solid pilots who want to be here. And if ol Number 9 wants to be number 3900....

Welcome Aboard

3,900?? Is that the seniority number after the NJA/NJI seniority list intergration in a few years?? We only have 2,601 as of 11/15/06!!



(couldn't resist).

 

[Spooky 2]

And another thing!! What the hell are "quotation maks?"

It's an ancient form of spelling first seen in primary education during the early 50's!

 

[Semore Butts]

All good remarks!

All great comments.

The retired guys are great! There may be one here and there that is a pill.

Schleping bags? We do it together so nobody gets hurt.

I just made Cpt on the Sovereign (still deployed so it will be awhile til I see it).

It has a ******************** load of baggage space, therefore we work together as a crew.

I've had a great time with the Ex-Airline guys I've flown with (except for Chuck Yeagers "dumber brother" at Flex, and he wasn't a bad guy, just an idiot). They have been in the game for a long time. They are a wealth of knowledge for the young guys that want to go to the big iron.
Great comment about them knowing all the great hangout spots in the cities.

Welcome retired guys!

 

[old*art]

"4) quite a few have hearing issues, I'm glad we yunguns learned to protect ours from day one"

Keep wearing those ear plugs and hope you have good genetics - course that is not all you will lose thru the years, and there are no ear plugs for that hehe. Old age ain't for sissies.

 

[ghostrider64]

old*art my panis hasn't grown large enough for me to lose my willy Fortunately there is a pill for that though....Probably invented by some chemist in his 80's...

 

[xpdriver]

Just stay away from CitationShares...PLEASE. We don't need any spoiled union babies here. Good luck at netjets, though...Kid

Those spoiled union babies are the reason you got a raise..Don't think your mgmt did it out of kindness..And those old union babies are the reason that you don't havr to fly 18 hrs a day and 5 days off. So everyday you should thank a union babies for your good luck. Just remember where you were before CS, Did you trust your mgmt there? Well they all are made from the same cloth..but good luck


P.S. Retired airline guys welcome at NJA..