Response to JoeMerchant

[FDJ2]

The problem isn't that scope failed the legacy pilots, the problem is that the legacy pilots gave away all of their scope.

ALL? A bit of a stretch there don't you think? I agree that we have relaxed our scope too much and allowed too much of our code to be flown in larger gauge aircraft, but don't forget that still is only ~ 15-18% of ASMs, not all.

BTW, I voted no, but I respect the bargaining process and accept the decision of the majority of DAL pilots. It is after all the DAL Pilots Working Agreement, not FDJ2s.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

I recall in the late 90's when everryone was hiring..... We didn't even need Mr Roarke to say... SMILES! Everyone SMILES!!!

 

[PCL_128]

I agree that we have relaxed our scope too much and allowed too much of our code to be flown in larger gauge aircraft, but don't forget that still is only ~ 15-18% of ASMs, not all.

True, but ASMs do not create pilot jobs; block hours do. If I remember correctly, about 49% of DAL block-hours are flown by DCI carriers. That's roughly half of all Delta's flying being done by outsourced pilots. That's one heck of a lot of jobs!

I don't mean to blame the entire pilot group, because you're certainly right that many pilots did vote no. However, we all need to understand what the real problem is here: outsourcing of mainline jobs. The RJDC is fighting on the wrong side of this issue, and that's really my main point.

 

[rtmcfi]

The problem isn't that scope failed the legacy pilots, the problem is that the legacy pilots gave away all of their scope. Just look at General Lee. A few days before the TA was released, all he could talk about was how he would vote down any TA that contained scope concessions. What actually happened? He voted for a TA that allowed further erosion of his contract's scope language in a sad attempt to hold onto a few bucks an hour and a work-rule here and there. Even after all these years of outsourcing, the General and his legacy buddies still don't understand that all the pay and work rules in the world don't help when your flying is being done by another pilot group. That's the real problem.

This isn't really the fault of the national Association. It's ultimately the fault of the individual MECs and pilot groups.

I think I am going to be sick. As much as I have raked PCL over the coals for his past transgressions, he is dead-on balls accurate on this. It pains me to say this, but I could not possibly agree with him more. Well said PCL......

 

[ReportCanoa]

This isn't really the fault of the national Association. It's ultimately the fault of the individual MECs and pilot groups.

Um, I'm gonna disagree here. If MEC's were signing away scope, why didn't national step in? There has to be accountability in the ranks, but when every MEC is doing what suits it best at the expense of the career, there needs to be a higher power to intervene.

I vote for an overhaul of ALPA. I mean, the sticker says "one union, one mission...".

 

[PCL_128]

I think I am going to be sick. As much as I have raked PCL over the coals for his past transgressions, he is dead-on balls accurate on this. It pains me to say this, but I could not possibly agree with him more. Well said PCL......

I don't even remember when you raked me over the coals, but glad to see you've come around.

 

[D'Angelo]

you guys truly are hypocrites. I thought all scabs were evil and could never be forgiven? I guess they can if they pay their dues. Goes to show its a buisness like everything else.

 

[D'Angelo]

The problem isn't that scope failed the legacy pilots, the problem is that the legacy pilots gave away all of their scope. Just look at General Lee. A few days before the TA was released, all he could talk about was how he would vote down any TA that contained scope concessions. What actually happened? He voted for a TA that allowed further erosion of his contract's scope language in a sad attempt to hold onto a few bucks an hour and a work-rule here and there. Even after all these years of outsourcing, the General and his legacy buddies still don't understand that all the pay and work rules in the world don't help when your flying is being done by another pilot group. That's the real problem.

This isn't really the fault of the national Association. It's ultimately the fault of the individual MECs and pilot groups.

Its funny how you guys always love to blame management for the ills of the world however ALPO can do no wrong. They are the management. If there is a failure among the ranks then its managements failure is it not? You are all hypocrites if you dont blame management(national) for the shortcomings that have taken place. Also why is it so hard to recall MECs etc. Why does it have to be so political. Why not put it to a simple vote majority rules one way or the other. ALPO operates using cowardly tactics all the way.

 

[FmrFreightDog]

Dad..blastit. Need I remind you guys once again!!!!!!

This thread is reserved for discussing what an ass-hat JB is. Scope, RJDC, etc. take you fight elsewhere.......

JB is an ass-hat. Please discuss amongst yourselves. Dispite our many differences, I'm sure we can agree on this much.

Here. I'll get us started......

JB is such an ass-hat, that............... {eagerly awaiting the fill in the blank session}

 

[PCL_128]

Sorry, Freightdog. I just figured that John's ass-hat status was a given.

 

[PCL_128]

And the number 4 slot on the Ignore List goes to...............

This message is hidden because D'Angelo is on your ignore list.

Ahhh, that's much better.

 

[FDJ2]

JB is such an ass-hat, that...............

Supports the RJDC.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Supports the RJDC.

How many supporters does the RJDC have? Who do they really represent?

 

[ASARJMan]

This message is hidden because D'Angelo is on your ignore list.</SPAN>

 

[Plug]

I find it ironic that this thread has turned in to an RJDC hi-jack. It is ironic because even the RJDC has distanced themselves some from mental instability of JB.

He is clearly trying to fight a war, in his own mind anyway, by himself. Well two if you count his other half. ;-)