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They will be 12 EMB-170's, and this could be a good thing for the Midwest guys. If you read the contract between RAH and Midwest those 12 170's could be on Midwest property opperated by Midwest pilots within a year and a half.
 
I don't see how this is in any way good for Midwest pilots

$$$4nothin said:
They will be 12 EMB-170's, and this could be a good thing for the Midwest guys. If you read the contract between RAH and Midwest those 12 170's could be on Midwest property opperated by Midwest pilots within a year and a half.
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Midwest Pilots Express Outrage at Airlines' Deal with Republic Airways

The following is the response from you ALPA leadership regarding the announcement made by management this afternoon

Captain Jay Schnedorf, chairman of the Midwest Airlines unit of the Air Line Pilots Association (ALPA), made this statement today following Midwest Airlines' announcement that it had secured commitments from Republic Airways Holdings. As part of the deal, Midwest announced that Republic flightcrews would fly 12 EMB 170s as Midwest Connect, beginning October 1, 2008, directly replacing all but nine of the Boeing 717 aircraft flown by Midwest pilots.

"This is catastrophic news for our pilot group and all Midwest employees. Management's plan to replace all but nine of our B-717s with EMB 170s and replace Midwest pilots with Republic pilots will have a devastating impact-raising the number of Midwest pilots who are out of work to approximately 300 of the some 400 pilots who were employed before TPG/NWA purchased the airline earlier this year. Furthermore, management restated its continued intent to wring drastic, draconian concessions from our pilots, holding our very jobs hostage as part of its deal with Republic

"Midwest pilots are outraged that management is using such underhanded tactics and further decimating this airline. We are putting management on notice that they cannot hold a gun to our heads and deal with our pilot group in this manner. We strongly believe that management's actions are a repudiation of its contract with us and we are exploring all of our options to protect our pilots and hold management accountable for the deal it made with us in 2000 and the concessions we made during our company's restructuring in 2003

"A year ago, CEO Tim Hoeksema stated publicly that the deal with TPG/Northwest would 'be good for our airline, the employees, and the community.' Make no mistake: with this latest deal, Mr. Hoeksema, TPG, and Northwest have revealed their complete disregard for this airline and its employees. Today marks a dark day in the history of Milwaukee, Wisconsin, as management has essentially sounded the death knell for Midwest Airlines and the reputation the employees have built for providing the 'best care in the air.'

ALPA is the bargaining representative for the 400 pilots at Midwest Airlines. Founded in 1931, ALPA is the world's largest pilot union, representing 53,000 pilots at 37 airlines in the United States and Canada. Visit www.alpa.org for more information.
 
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I wish the best for Midwest pilots, however Republic flying E170s isn't good news for anyone except Chautublic pilots..
 
$$$4nothin said:
They will be 12 EMB-170's, and this could be a good thing for the Midwest guys. If you read the contract between RAH and Midwest those 12 170's could be on Midwest property opperated by Midwest pilots within a year and a half.
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Yeah...It's sweet! 9 717s and 12 RJs!
 
These will be flown by Republic airways. In fact they are the old Mid-Atlantic birds that are in storage in PIT. First 170's ever made.
 
Who wants to bet that these 170s willl never be flown by pilots on our seniority list. A year or two from now Midwest Airlines will cease to exist and Midwest Connect will be the only Midwest flights in the air.
 
This is not good news for MEH pilots. Unfortunately, Timmy has been dragging down this airline for YEARS. The writing has been on the wall for a long time. It comes down to the fact if you wanted to see the signs. I truly feel for you guys, having been a two-time victim of the cookie palace. All that there is left is burn the place down - don't give them an inch. Take every dollar to the last day that you can get, because you can see that they have no interest in you. 9 717's and some rj's - what a joke! :angryfire
 
b82rez said:
Who wants to bet that these 170s willl never be flown by pilots on our seniority list. A year or two from now Midwest Airlines will cease to exist and Midwest Connect will be the only Midwest flights in the air.
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Sadly, I believe you may be correct. Best wishes to all the Midwest folks.
 
b82rez said:
Who wants to bet that these 170s willl never be flown by pilots on our seniority list. A year or two from now Midwest Airlines will cease to exist and Midwest Connect will be the only Midwest flights in the air.
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I couldnt agree more with you men!!! has a pilot of Republic Airlines, "I" am fkn so disapointed, I cant belive that we be doing this flying!!! when you guys got people on the street and we are getting ready to deploy about 175 guys and gals out also...fuk I am getting drunk this is B.S...wheres Jack Daniel.:angryfire
 
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This is all for Timmy's personal benefit so he can stretch his employment a little longer while screwing countless employees in the process.
 
I am glad I'm getting furloughed from this joke of an airline. Good luck guys, were going to need it! I didn't realize how little this airline cared for its employees. I do now. T
 
$$$4nothin said:
..... and this could be a good thing for the Midwest guys. If you read the contract between RAH and Midwest those 12 170's could be on Midwest property opperated by Midwest pilots within a year and a half.
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Good thing? Oh, sure.... flying a girly regional cookie jet at (and will be) sub-wages vs. flying a mainline type equipment?

In one year from now, MidEx will probably be a scrappy regional airline, Timmy H will be leaving and counting his $$$ at the mercy of his employees.
 
I feel that any Republic pilots flying any B717 routes under the Midwest name as SCABS! Tell your management, no way to this scab flying. This lable is something you don't want.
 
TheJCNIs said:
I feel that any Republic pilots flying any B717 routes under the Midwest name as SCABS! Tell your management, no way to this scab flying. This lable is something you don't want.
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You guys are on strike? I could've sworn I saw one of your planes in MCI a couple of days ago. Who was flying that thing?
 
TheJCNIs said:
I feel that any Republic pilots flying any B717 routes under the Midwest name as SCABS! Tell your management, no way to this scab flying. This lable is something you don't want.
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Hate to break the news to you, but this kind of thing has been going on for 15+ years. The "business practice" is well established, the aircraft and flight crews at the ready, most represented by ALPA.

To protest it now is like a cry in the wilderness.
 
Guys, as an employee of Republic, Im going to speak for (almost) everyone and let you know we are -collectively - NOT happy about this. There are calls for a strike vote already.

You might not hear alot about it on here since we have our own message board. But I assure you, the blood pressure is rising on our end as well.

We are not out for your jobs. We are not out for your airplanes. This appears to be a raw deal for us all.

Good luck.
 
To all midwest folks

The threads on our message board turned very quickly, from yeah to Oh SHT

We have iron clad scope that limits our planes from being flown by not our pilots.

I think the fact that timmy signed the deal is STUPID. because now he is on the hook for a huge cancellation penalty. THis is a great financial deal for republic, bc we give you money, are get second in line to get it back, and then some if midwest folds.
another bonehead timmy deal, where he was outfoxed by a smarter ceo.
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I hope all the senior Captains who gave me crap about my support for the Airtran deal are happy now, specially now that they will end up on the street with the rest of us this time.

When I said on another thread that Midwest is being realigned some guys didn't agree with me, Midwest WILL become COMPASS, and eventually a connection service for the new Delta/NWA.

here is my quote from another thread:
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Originally Posted by FlyWolf
TV9Driver, thanks, I still think we would have been much better with Airtran than NWA/TPG.

Heavy Set, even though Midwest is furloughing it is NOT out of seniority, your info is wrong.

My initial post was, Midwest is being re-aligned, I didn't say anything about Midwest continuing to fly 717.

Peace and good luck to all.
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Why the hell would Republic be providing financing to Midwest? Something fishy is going on here, Republic must be getting equity for their money or something because Midwest is a serial destroyer of investment capital; just ask Northwest. Nobody in their right mind would put money into that outfit without something iron-clad in return. That lying $hitbird TH has nine lives, how in the hell does he keep his job? That guy has created some bad Karma and I hope it comes back to him in spades.

I've given up trying to understand what is going on here. Why would you operate 9 717's? The cost to operate a fleet that small with employees that senior must be simply astronomical unless the employees work for free, which I'm sure the company will be proposing in the near future. Why not just do what they did with Skyway and subcontract out ALL of the flying and keep the holding company as a ground service company. Then you eliminate all the pilots, FA's, mechanics or dispatchers, i.e. no flight operations in house. I hope the Midwest guys don't give an inch. At least it will prevent TPG from using the Midwest certificate to create another bottom feeder carrier. At least don't give TH the satisfaction of bending you over all the way; drive those bastards into Ch. 11.

Bets of luck to all the Midwest guys, this is awful. Save the cookie but dump all the employees.....nice.
 
b82rez said:
Who wants to bet that these 170s willl never be flown by pilots on our seniority list. A year or two from now Midwest Airlines will cease to exist and Midwest Connect will be the only Midwest flights in the air.
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Midwest Connect to what?

Best of luck fellow Midwest pilots.

ALPA protecting your jobs! What a joke! You guys had a good gig going before NWA and your boss f*cked it all up. All ALPA can do is watch it happen.
 
TheJCNIs said:
I feel that any Republic pilots flying any B717 routes under the Midwest name as SCABS! Tell your management, no way to this scab flying. This lable is something you don't want.
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The more and more we are looking at this, it looks like both managements have crafted this within a ******************** hair's edge of our scope clause. Bottom line we all get F'd in the A.
 
fam62c said:
drive those bastards into Ch. 11.
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They want this to happen. Midwests' airplanes can go to Delta/NWA, and the competition is gone. Nobody honestly expects an airline with 9 717s and 12 E170s to be economically viable at all. This is simply a way of killing Midwest legally. And, yes, I feel RAH just bought their way into Delta/NWA with this "financing" deal.
 
$$$4nothin said:
They will be 12 EMB-170's, and this could be a good thing for the Midwest guys. If you read the contract between RAH and Midwest those 12 170's could be on Midwest property opperated by Midwest pilots within a year and a half.
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Only if they agree to a new contract before those 18 months are up. In other words, Timmmmay has just created a new whipsaw in order to hammer the MEH pilots into taking a crappy deal. A good thing? Hardly.
 
Avi8tor2000 said:
They want this to happen. Midwests' airplanes can go to Delta/NWA, and the competition is gone. Nobody honestly expects an airline with 9 717s and 12 E170s to be economically viable at all. This is simply a way of killing Midwest legally. And, yes, I feel RAH just bought their way into Delta/NWA with this "financing" deal.
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WOW!!! that will be a fuqing management Masterpice!!! az oles!!!:angryfire

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I feel that any Republic pilots flying any B717 routes under the Midwest name as SCABS! Tell your management, no way to this scab flying. This lable is something you don't want. Quote.

I'm very sorry that you feel this way specially when Management is the one creating this B.S, but is always eassy to call some one a "SCAB"...:erm:
 
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