Republic (Chautauqua) to fly 170s for Delta

[Bart Simpson]

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Stop your f*ckin whining and get over it. What is anyone gonna do about the Status Quo? Go on Flightinfo and bitch and whine like lil schoolgirls. Just shut the f*ck up.
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[chperplt]

Stop your f*ckin whining and get over it. What is anyone gonna do about the Status Quo? Go on Flightinfo and bitch and whine like lil schoolgirls. Just shut the f*ck up.

Got to love the high school drop outs on this board.

 

[AFELLOWAVIATOR]

Way to tell him, FDJ2.

I seriously doubt CHQ got this deal and other DL RFPs for the sole reason of pilot pay. What about the quality of the product? Compare Comair's performance when they had MCO to Chautauqua's now. Even their own gate agents will admit it down there in FL. Particularly when we fly into FLL.

your so full of shi t

 

[SYXDude]

What where did you get this information that "you know"? Was it from another pilot??

I find it difficult to believe that any company on the brink of a BK filing would agree to pay for ALL of your training costs and salaries prior to a deal being signed.

I think you guys are living in a land called wishfull thinking.

You're entitled to your opinion and no matter what I say or what sources are provided, you'll still be skeptical.

So, on that note Chperplt, I wish you and your family a happy Holiday and best wishes for 2005.

 

[chperplt]

SYXDude,

I'm just trying to understand why Delta would do something like that. It doesn't make business sense, especially with the situation they are in.

I'm not trying to stir the pot.

Happy holidays to you too

 

[flyer172r]

SYXDude,

I'm just trying to understand why Delta would do something like that. It doesn't make business sense, especially with the situation they are in.

I'm not trying to stir the pot.

Happy holidays to you too

I guess Delta saw something in CHQ's cost structure that appealed to them more than ASA or CMR's. Apparently saving the few bucks meant more to them than loyalty to their subsidiaries. Although I guess loyalty is a four-letter word when it comes to the airline business.

Happy holidays to all, I'll say this now since hopefully we have better things to do than post on flightinfo. May the new year bring us plentiful jobs for good wages, and may we support each other instead of bashing each other over mgmt's decisions.

 

[suupah]

A 2nd year CMR 50 FO makes more than any CHQ 170 FO regardless of longevity. Any 50 seat Capt at CMR makes more than his peer on the 170 at CHQ. I don't care how 'efficient' we at CMR think we are, it's only a matter of time. I don't believe it's possible to compete when we are getting lowballed this much. Good luck ASA. We need you guys to hit a home run or we are all screwed. Nice job CHQ. I used to defend you guys because your 50 seat rates are somewhat in the ballpark and you did get improvement in most of your contract, but this is nuts. $66 @ hour for a 5 year 70 seat Capt?!? YGTBSM! Even Mesa pays more than that.

actually mesa pays less

 

[chperplt]

Flyer172R

SYXDude and I were not talking about CHQ.

 

[jumppilot]

I guess Delta saw something in CHQ's cost structure that appealed to them more than ASA or CMR's. Apparently saving the few bucks meant more to them than loyalty to their subsidiaries. Although I guess loyalty is a four-letter word when it comes to the airline business.

Happy holidays to all, I'll say this now since hopefully we have better things to do than post on flightinfo. May the new year bring us plentiful jobs for good wages, and may we support each other instead of bashing each other over mgmt's decisions.

I think you guys are missing the point.

CHQ operates the 170, Comair and ASA operate the 700. The 170 looks like a mini airbus on the inside, which offers much greater comfort than the CRJ700.

Not trying to stir the pot or add fuel to the flame, but from a customer standpoint, the 170 offers superior service, even if CHQ's cost structure is a little higher (according to one poster).

Bottom line: 170 offers the comfort passengers demand and in turn they will offer repeat business.

Now, if ASA or Comair gets an aircraft which can go from CVG-Tokyo in 20 minutes, any discomfort will be tolerated. Get the point?

 

[zeroline]

I wouldnt start worrying just yet

chperpltQuote:
From what I know


What where did you get this information that "you know"? Was it from another pilot??

I find it difficult to believe that any company on the brink of a BK filing would agree to pay for ALL of your training costs and salaries prior to a deal being signed.

I think you guys are living in a land called wishfull thinking.

I heard from DO and fleet supervisor that delta is paying the salaries for all of the 40+ extra CA and FO's on the 328's. I dont see why people are saying skyways deal is over because of this. If Delta cant sell off the 328 leases, they will have to utilize them somehow, which is probably why they are paying all of the extra skway pilots salaries.

Secondly, think about the load factors on the 328's when ACA was flying them. If there was a route that was truly demanding of alot more than 32 seats, they probably would have had comair cover it at the time. They will probably be using the 70 seaters on different routes than what used to very recently be covered by 32 seats (unless demand has changed recently or they are reducing the frequency.) Its not over yet.

Merry x-mas to all

 

[surplus1]

I can't figure out why anyone is shocked by this. Did you think the company asked for the changes in definition of a 70 seater which would allow the E-170 just for grins? Did you really think they would add another fleet type at ASA and or CMR, even if you are cheaper than CHQ? Did you think they would add to our debt to add the E-170 when CHQ or someone like them could do it and the debt is theirs not Delta's? Did you think Delta would not continue to add to the DCI arsenal to spread the flying and minimize the risk of a strike? Did you think something like this would not happen while ASA was in contract talks?

Anyone who is surprised by this move is either a fool or just doesn't pay attention to whats going on.

Let me add to the ASA and CMR guys, if you think it will end with 16 E-170s at CHQ, you are kidding yourself. And for the Delta guys, if you think it will end with the E-170, you are also kidding yourself.

Michael,

You and I often have differences of opinion but I have to tell you that this time you've hit the nail squarely on the head, including your last sentence.

Decisions made many years ago have come back to roost. The crystal ball I got for Christmas back in '93 is finally proving it's worth. Too bad nobody listened back then, especially the powers at ALPA, Int'l.

 

[ATR-DRIVR]

???. Do you care to explain that? An ALPA approval of the PID would have accomplished nothing since DAL was under no obligation to integrate seniority lists. A PID without a merger is about as useful as tits on a bull.

IF ALPA had approved the merger and DAL allowed it, NONE of the mainline guys and gals on furlough now would have been furloughed. It would have been the last 1000+ hired. Those who have been hired at ASA/CMR since 9/11

 

[michael707767]

Michael,

You and I often have differences of opinion but I have to tell you that this time you've hit the nail squarely on the head, including your last sentence.

Thanks. I think we may disagree on reasons for it, but long term I think it's inevitable that many MECs (not just DALPA) start to cave more on scope.
Michael

 

[Lolikoka]

Lumps of Coal for the decision makers

I haven't been on here for a couple of days - this sure dampened my Christmas spirit. I sense some of the mainline guys are happy - or at least somewhat satisfied with this news. Bottom line - this isn't good news for them either. The more the flying gets divided up at all levels, the worse it is for all or us. Especially with a mainline replacement plane like these new E-170's and 190's.

For all of you who gleefully say the regionals a few years ago were undercutting the mainline pilots - hold your horses. As was pointed out elsewhere in here, we never flew comparably sized planes.

Someone brought up decertifying ALPA at ASA. Many of the mainline guys would love to get us out of ALPA. I'm not ready to give them that victory - I want ALPA to stop the carnage in this industry by militantly demanding and acting to force companies to unify pilot contracts. The only way this will happen is with a national SOS.

Gotta go before I have an aneurysm.

Merry Christmas; Happy New Year; pass me a strike ballot.

 

[flyer172r]

Flyer172R

SYXDude and I were not talking about CHQ.

Woops, sorry. I guess that's what happens when two topics are discussed on one thread.