Reporting Leaving an altitude

[GogglesPisano]

Beytzim wins the prize. 30W as well.

In Africa or SA, it's defnitely a good idea. In a radar environment, it's just a waste of frequency.

Let's be real, only about 10% of us waste the energy.

I guess the rest of us are asking for a letter from the FAA -- for violating the (advisory only) AIM.

 

[SWAdude]

I guess there are two kinds of pilots out there:

1. The dude who thinks the FAA is watching him at all times, that his F/O will NARC on him, and that the F/A, the pax, and the rampers all are out to get him. This guy will do everything by the book, and judges anyone that doesn't as an inferior pilot. He judges one's flying skills by knowing procedures verbatim and never veering off. This dude is usually called the "anal guy who no one wants to fly with".

2. The dude who is not afraid of his shadow and understands the regs and follows them because he wants to be safe, not because they are simply written in a manual. He understands that veering off regs is ok sometimes, as using his judgement is what he's paid for. This individual is considered the "laid back" guy who many of us strive to be - of course, not all

That sums it up quite well.

If its not going to get you hurt or violated, who the hell cares?

 

[bubbers44]

That sums it up quite well.

If its not going to get you hurt or violated, who the hell cares?

Couldn't agree more. Usually the anal one is the captain so you can't totally ignore him but you have to not let him distract you to the dangerous point with his BS. Usually the FO will listen if you explain to him what is important now. ID the next vor after you get that radio call you just missed again.

 

[BEECH-SLAPPED]

I guess there are two kinds of pilots out there:

1. The dude who thinks the FAA is watching him at all times, that his F/O will NARC on him, and that the F/A, the pax, and the rampers all are out to get him. This guy will do everything by the book, and judges anyone that doesn't as an inferior pilot. He judges one's flying skills by knowing procedures verbatim and never veering off. This dude is usually called the "anal guy who no one wants to fly with".

2. The dude who is not afraid of his shadow and understands the regs and follows them because he wants to be safe, not because they are simply written in a manual. He understands that veering off regs is ok sometimes, as using his judgement is what he's paid for. This individual is considered the "laid back" guy who many of us strive to be - of course, not all

And it's this first type of pilot that will always include the phrase "I'm pretty laid back" in his briefing to you. If you ever hear this phrase, watch out because you are about to fly with the most anal S.O.B on the planet. If you really are "laid back", you won't have to tell anyone.

 

[SoCentralRain]

As somebody already wrote, reporting vacating an altitude is a holdover from older days. If the freq is busy do us all a favor and don't do it.

Another one: when reporting entering a hold don't bother saying the time. I'm willing to bet every ATC'er has a watch by now.

Oh for cryin' out loud.

If you can't say "Center, ABC XXX two-seven zero descending wun wun thousand" in less than 3 seconds to New York, Cleveland or whoever, swallow the dry bagel in your mouth, take a swig of water then TRY.

All y'all Joe Cool types complaining about that which is required by AIM and which can be accomplished in less than 3 seconds are pathetic.

That goes for the time stamp in the hold, too, for chrissake. ::shaking head in disbelief::

 

[BLUE BAYOU]

If it's not on a teleprompter, I'm not going to say it...

 

[Oh-ryan]

If it's not on a teleprompter, I'm not going to say it...

I'm Ron Burgandy?

 

[mrebuck]

I guess there are two kinds of pilots out there:

1. The dude who thinks the FAA is watching him at all times, that his F/O will NARC on him, and that the F/A, the pax, and the rampers all are out to get him. This guy will do everything by the book, and judges anyone that doesn't as an inferior pilot. He judges one's flying skills by knowing procedures verbatim and never veering off. This dude is usually called the "anal guy who no one wants to fly with".

2. The dude who is not afraid of his shadow and understands the regs and follows them because he wants to be safe, not because they are simply written in a manual. He understands that veering off regs is ok sometimes, as using his judgement is what he's paid for. This individual is considered the "laid back" guy who many of us strive to be - of course, not all

I agree 100%

 

[Steeler Fan]

What's the proper phraseology for....

"Hey center, does anyone have the Steelers' score?"

 

[waveflyer]

I guess there are two kinds of pilots out there:

1. The dude who thinks the FAA is watching him at all times, that his F/O will NARC on him, and that the F/A, the pax, and the rampers all are out to get him. This guy will do everything by the book, and judges anyone that doesn't as an inferior pilot. He judges one's flying skills by knowing procedures verbatim and never veering off. This dude is usually called the "anal guy who no one wants to fly with".

2. The dude who is not afraid of his shadow and understands the regs and follows them because he wants to be safe, not because they are simply written in a manual. He understands that veering off regs is ok sometimes, as using his judgement is what he's paid for. This individual is considered the "laid back" guy who many of us strive to be - of course, not all

i agree w/ this for the most part-- but it's too cool-cat: and usually these guys are the ones who didn't get laid enough in college and get most of their social identity from being cool in the flight deck.

There are two other types of pilots- those who've been the subject of an FAA witch-hunt (or been close to someone who has) and those who haven't. Doesn't mean your scared of your shadow- just means it's f-ing ridiculous to make this job harder than it is by being cool. It's in the AIM- say it. Don't make the job hard. Anything else and i'm curious what other anti-authority issues you got.

 

[Ty Webb]

If you can't say "Center, ABC XXX two-seven zero descending wun wun thousand" in less than 3 seconds to New York, Cleveland or whoever, swallow the dry bagel in your mouth, take a swig of water then TRY.

That goes for the time stamp in the hold, too, for chrissake. ::shaking head in disbelief::

Well, I guess we know which group you represent.

Welcome aboard, you dust-farting dinosaur. :laugh:


Ty

 

[say again]

What's the proper phraseology for....

"Hey center, does anyone have the Steelers' score?"

Improper phraseology at its best. You should ask the Giants score for it be proper. LOL JK,:beer:

 

[PreContact]

Close but...

Correct radio call:
"And Center, Flight xxx out of two phife oh for one tree thousand. Good evening."

t...two phife ZERO...

my IOE capt was big on this, given the number of non-native english speakers on freq. Good practice too when yo start flying int'l.

 

[SoCentralRain]

Well, I guess we know which group you represent.

Welcome aboard, you dust-farting dinosaur. :laugh:


Ty

Thanks, Ty.

::in my best grampa voice (the best I can do for a 40 year old)::

"In my day, our double-I's would hit us with a rolled up NOS lo-enroute when we forgot to report leaving an altitude. And those dag-gum ADF's...I'll give you a needle flip!"

Seriously, I never thought calling out of one altitude was something so uncool. What the hell are CFII's doing, then? Why don't they teach this? I sure as hell did for the 5 years I taught. Just plain sense. As Web Wilder would say, "Pick up on it."

SCR

 

[J Dawg]

It is not "required". It is "recommended" per the AIM.

2008 Aeronautical Information Manual (When did it change from Airman's Information Manual?)
Paragraph 5-3-3
a. The following reports should be made to ATC or FSS facilities without a specific ATC request:
1. At all times.
(a) When vacating any previously assigned altitude or flight level for a newly assigned altitude or flight level.

"Required" reports would be compulsory reporting points in a non-radar environment, unable to climb/descend at 500 fpm, etc....