Reporting Leaving an altitude

[Oh-ryan]

Correct radio call:
"And Center, Flight xxx out of two phife oh for one tree thousand. Good evening."

 

[Papa Woody]

Point to the line about not taxiing faster than a brisk walk and ask them about that.

You beat me to it!

Anyone ever ground-looped an MD-80?

 

[The Prussian]

Point to the line about not taxiing faster than a brisk walk and ask them about that.

I remember the "brisk walk" thing in the military...is it also in the AIM?

 

[DrewBlows]

I do it when I'm flying if it's not too busy. I haven't flown with many other people who do it and don't really care if they do or not. I've never heard anyone getting a hard time from a controller for not reporting leaving an altitude so apparently they don't care.

There are a few controllers on the board, maybe one could chime in?

 

[cactusboy53]

2008 Aeronautical Information Manual (When did it change from Airman's Information Manual?)
Paragraph 5-3-3
a. The following reports should be made to ATC or FSS facilities without a specific ATC request:
1. At all times.
(a) When vacating any previously assigned altitude or flight level for a newly assigned altitude or flight level.

I would have to say that I comply with this 98% of the time. The other 2% is when the frequency is totally jammed up, and I would only add to the problem.

 

[Scrapdog]

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[waveflyer]

how much of a ******************************-bag would you be if you didn't make the call and a controller forgot and a loss of separation happened? Think they wouldn't violate you?
don't turn it into a big deal- but say it and don't worry if any of these guys think it's cool or not.

 

[Taildraggaah]

Correct radio call:
"And Center, Flight xxx out of two phife oh for one tree thousand. Good evening."

incorrect, should read "zero" (AIM 4.2)

 

[Taildraggaah]

how much of a ******************************-bag would you be if you didn't make the call and a controller forgot and a loss of separation happened? Think they wouldn't violate you?
don't turn it into a big deal- but say it and don't worry if any of these guys think it's cool or not.

Well said...

 

[bubbers44]

I asked a controller with a pilots discretion descent if once you read back his clearance to descend if two minutes later you had to call again leaving that altitude. He indicated it wasn't required a second time. Made my FO's crazy if I didn't so usually did it a second time anyway.

 

[flyipilot]

Point to the line about not taxiing faster than a brisk walk and ask them about that.

Now that is very funny!

 

[Homer Jay]

During upgrade at airline number one, I was told by a Denver Center controller that reporting out of an altitude when given a crossing restriction is not required as the airspace is already blocked off, therefore I don't do it. But to each his own...

 

[Charlie Brown]

Point to the line about not taxiing faster than a brisk walk and ask them about that.

Our FOM specifically allows us up to 30 knots on straight taxiways. So nice try.

 

[Ty Webb]

Our FOM specifically allows us up to 30 knots on straight taxiways. So nice try.

During taxi, just try not to key the mike when the GPWS is calling "V1" . . . it's considered "bad form".

Now, back to our originally scheduled argument. . . .

 

[cheater1239]

when you begin a descent after having accepted a clearance that included discretion, you aren't leaving a previously assigned altitude for a newly assigned altitude. you are descending within your assigned altitude.
no report to atc required.
that's why they respond with roger
that's why there has never been a violation for same

Paragraph 5-3-3
a. The following reports should be made to ATC or FSS facilities without a specific ATC request:
1. At all times.
(a) When vacating any previously assigned altitude or flight level for a newly assigned altitude or flight level.

 

[PurpleInMEM]

From the AIM Flight Information Publication Policy:

"...This publication, while not regulatory, provides information which reflects examples of operating techniques and procedures which may be requirements in other federal publications or regulations..."

Anyone know if Paragraph 5-3-3 (or anything similar) appears anywhere in USC or FAR? Just curious, but it sounds like more typical check airman drivel then actual fact. Must be a qualification for the job.

Now if it's in the respective FOM I guess the company can compel you to state it, even if it isn't required by the regulatory agency, but it's still pretty stupid.

Threads about radio calls are almost as entertaining as threads about pilot costumes or ALPO.

BTW I agree with cheater1239, I've read back the clearance so I'm done. After all, I have Sudoku to do.

 

[ProFracPilot]

Correct radio call:
"And Center, Flight xxx out of two phife oh for one tree thousand. Good evening."

To achieve proper form, you must begin the above referenced call with the ever-important: "Ahhhhhh..." (approximately 3 seconds in length, made with that 3 pack-a-day gravel voice, befitting of those with single digit seniority).

Drives women wild.

 

[30West]

If flying in radar coverage in the Northeast Corridor on a Friday afternoon with weather everywhere, maybe not.

If flying into Africa in non radar talking to the "controller" with a barely understandable west African accent being filtered through a 60's vintage HF radio, sun at the 12 o'clock high position rendering HF communications dicey at best, absolutely without fail.

 

[contrail67]

Just curious if the average airline guy makes a report to Center when leaving one altitude for another after he's given a PD or crossing restriction.

i.e.:
Center: Flight xxx cross GEELA at 11/250
Flight XXX: Cross Geela at 11/250
....when leaving altitude:
Flight XXX: Center, Flight XXX leaving FL230....

The check airman at WN point to an AIM sentence that says it's a required call. I've never done it before and quite frankly never heard anyone else do it until I started here at WN, so who's right?

Why are you even asking this question...yes it is required.

 

[waveflyer]

c'mon- you've never had a controller forget whether they gave you an altitude or not? OR keep you up high on an arrival b/c of traffic?
The AIM may not be regulatory- but from the FAA- careless and reckless is what they violate you w/ when you violate the AIM. If the pilot can be blamed- they will be. So why make it an issue.
I've never heard of a violation for it- and don't make it a big deal- but if the FAA didn't want that radio call- it's a real easy fix for them- take it out of the book. In the meantime, it's an easy call.