Reliability Gulf - Dassault ?

[G100driver]

"Also is impressive the Airborne Support of Gulfstream, but Dassalts customers also said they have the best and most flexible warranty (possible Dassault will offer an airborne support program)."

Why does Gulfstream have such a program, and Dassault doesn't? Dassault doesn't need one, Gulfstream does.

As big as a fan as I am of Dassault, and I am, this is one area that they truly lack in.

Dassault labor warranty - 6 months (except the 7X - 5years)
Breakdown on a Friday night and cannot get FEDEX until Monday afternoon ... guess what, you are F%$#ked.

 

[G4G5]

It's a typical Dassault problem.

I lost a windshield on a DA2000 once while going into San Juan on a Friday evening. Called tech support and discovered that their were noe to be had in the US and that they would have to send one from France. Needless to say we did not make our MONDAY departure. They counter to countered one on AirFrance but by the time the PRC dried............

I lost one on a Gulfstream last fall, the aircraft was up the next day.

For some reason they seem to feel that it is "impossible" to break one of their aircraft. I love their design but once they closed down TEB and tried to move everything to LIT, product support went down the tubes.

 

[Speedmach5]

9 years flying G4s and never a cx trip due to aircraft mx.
Can't go wrong with a Gulfstream!

 

[sleepy]

Honestly, they all break sometimes. I just have not ever had a Falcon strand me anywhere for maintenance. I have never flow a Gulfstream, so i really don't know. But is always fun to just have a silly argument about it.

 

[semperfido]

Gulfstream definitely more responsive. Although with this G550 they can't always help- especially when you are in Mumbai India with a MAU3b failed. Not a pretty sight at O'dark thirty.

 

[AA717driver]

Gulfstream definitely more responsive. Although with this G550 they can't always help- especially when you are in Mumbai India with a MAU3b failed. Not a pretty sight at O'dark thirty.

Yeah, but even THAT problem didn't turn it into a building... TC

 

[2EASYPilot]

While I believe Gulfstream and Falcon are both great products, we have been operating Falcons (2000,900ex and now 2000ex ) for over nine years and had excellent realiabity and service. Not having flown Gulfstreams, I can attest that the flying characteristics of the Falcons are wonderful. In addition our company is very "low key" and the ramp image of the Gulfstreams was not to be overcome. Both great products and just happy to be flying either one !!!

 

[semperfido]

While I believe Gulfstream and Falcon are both great products, we have been operating Falcons (2000,900ex and now 2000ex ) for over nine years and had excellent realiabity and service. Not having flown Gulfstreams, I can attest that the flying characteristics of the Falcons are wonderful. In addition our company is very "low key" and the ramp image of the Gulfstreams was not to be overcome. Both great products and just happy to be flying either one !!!

I'll second that sentiment. But-AP on 90 % of time so "fighter feel" of Falcon not missed too much. Prefer extra room in cockpit. Most Corp operators try to be "low key" as well and I understand the sesitivity some would have to be seen operating a 40+ mil fringe benefit. I jest.

 

[tony77]

anyone who what the range of the G450 is with a typical BOW of approx 43,400lbs...standar assumptions 8 pax? They state 4,350nm @ M0.80, but that is for a typical Basic Operating weight.

 

[GVFlyer]

anyone who what the range of the G450 is with a typical BOW of approx 43,400lbs...standar assumptions 8 pax? They state 4,350nm @ M0.80, but that is for a typical Basic Operating weight.

G450 Spec operating weight and typical operating weight for recent completions are both 43,000 lb. The range quarantee with 8 passengers at Spec weight is 4,350 nm @ Mach 0.80 and 4,400 nm @ Mach 0.77. If your jet came in 400 lbs heavy, you would lose about 14 minutes of endurance or 115 nautical miles of range with eight passengers.

GV