REJECTED by 83%!

[Clutch]

Staffing aircraft won't be easy, with expected attrition and no pilots coming in the challenge will be to reduce the fleet fast enough to keep up with pilot attrition.

If there is a merger, it will be because the combined company is become small enough to make it sensible

I've been hearing about this pilot shortage for over 3 years. Every fall it's "gonna be in the spring". Every spring it's "coming at the end of fall".. I don't buy it any more.

 

[wms]

The managers of our industry are very worried, which carries more weight than fi.com. We can't cover attrition now and when dal and aa spool up it will really hit hard.

 

[ASAFOE120]

I've been hearing about this pilot shortage for over 3 years. Every fall it's "gonna be in the spring". Every spring it's "coming at the end of fall".. I don't buy it any more.

In the TA, the company wanted to be able to fly captains in the right seat for 20 hours a month. The ERJ guys have been offered 200% on trips for quite a while now. The company has taken away guys vaca in February. The company not replacing RDO's. And the LASA side still hiring and upgrading after parking a bunch of dl 200's. This is all going on at XJT.

Then you have signing bonuses at some airlines. Cash for referal programs at some airlines. Cancelled flights at some due to "crew availability".

Sounds like we are getting short of bodies at the regionals to me.

 

[JetLinkin Park]

I've been hearing about this pilot shortage for over 3 years. Every fall it's "gonna be in the spring". Every spring it's "coming at the end of fall".. I don't buy it any more.

You are correct, the term "pilot shortage" has been thrown around so frequently for so long that its lost all of its luster. I actually cringe when I hear/see people refer to it.

That said, I can tell you without question that XJT is in trouble right now with regards to staffing. We need more pilots. We can't get them. We are canceling vacations in Feb which means we will be canceling vacations throughout the year. We aren't restoring lost days off in accordance with our CPA. We are canceling dozens of flights a day (86 and counting today) because airplanes are parked with no one to crew them.

That is all fact.

That makes the outcome of our vote yesterday all the more significant. Will SKYW have staffing issues for their large A/C orders of the future? Candidly, I have no idea and I could care less.

As for now, things aren't so good and getting worse by week. We got the attention of a lot of people yesterday. In ATL, in SGU, in ORD, and hopefully in DFW.

There aren't 4,600 pilots coming to save the day. Or the week. Or the year.

 

[Nevets]

That's precisely the plan. You'll see it all starting to happen as early as this June. ExpressJet side will slowly shrink away, while SkyWest side will get all the new contracts and aircraft. That writing has been on the wall for about two years now.

Not all the aircraft, just the 70+ seaters. The others will be parked. And I would vote no again until it includes one list.

 

[pilotyip]

I've been hearing about this pilot shortage for over 3 years. Every fall it's "gonna be in the spring". Every spring it's "coming at the end of fall".. I don't buy it any more.

To quote Avbug, where ever he might be, there will never be a pilot shortage. But there is a growing hiring boom that started in 2012. As predicted back in 2010 it will hit the regionals and bottom feeders first, but it is coming to the majors. After all the majors skim all of the astronaut candidates off the top of the resume pile, they will be forced to start looking for qualified people. Just like 1998 when all the airlines said we have 15,000 resumes on hand, the trouble was they all had the same 15,000 resumes. After 15 months of hiring, the resume piles were very small. It is coming again. Already I have the college degree thing go to preferred on some job sites.

 

[Mickey Mouse]

How sad. I guess the company really never had any respect for the XJT pilot group, since this was their plan all along, and they never shared it. Oh well, back to my hot fudge Sunday.

 

[Freebrd]

. Oh well, back to my hot fudge Sunday.

Wow you on Jenny Leigh's flight?

 

[Mickey Mouse]

Wow you on Jenny Leigh's flight?

Turnabout is fair play

 

[robair73]

Regionals won't be around in 5-10 years. The smart ones will leave and the old dumb ones will be left behind. What happened to my kooshy regional job?!

 

[pilotyip]

Regionals won't be around in 5-10 years. The smart ones will leave and the old dumb ones will be left behind. What happened to my kooshy regional job?!

No I think they will always be there, they become more efficient and have to pay better wages in order to operate. But they may have to downsize to reach that critical mass. Instead of 4 flights a day to ABC in a 50 seater there will be two flights a day to ABC in a 100 seater. They won't go away, because if there is a need someone will want to start an airline. They will have no trouble finding street Captains and F/O's who think they will make Capt in 12 months.

 

[XPOO]

Not all the aircraft, just the 70+ seaters. The others will be parked. And I would vote no again until it includes one list.

All 600 aircraft on order have over 70+ seats, so that will be ALL of them. And I'm not trying to persuade votes. My position all along has been that neither a yes or no vote will change any future plans.

 

[PCL_128]

What will a union do for you, more pay? more days? maybe? of course until you get no pay and all your days off.

You really are a pathetic, cowardly piece of sh!t.

 

[1.3XVso]

http://m.washingtonpost.com/busines...3cc88c-7d5c-11e3-97d3-b9925ce2c57b_story.html

Come to endevour !!! Never surprises me.

 

[1.3XVso]

You really are a pathetic, cowardly piece of sh!t.

Just like you fat boy.

 

[pilotyip]

Just like you fat boy.

Thank you. PLC is one of those guys who beleives that unions can do no wrong, and management can do no right. I just happen to believe the truth lies somewhere in between.

 

[Clutch]

He is tubby guys, but what does that have to do with it?

 

[General Lee]

No I think they will always be there, they become more efficient and have to pay better wages in order to operate. But they may have to downsize to reach that critical mass. Instead of 4 flights a day to ABC in a 50 seater there will be two flights a day to ABC in a 100 seater. They won't go away, because if there is a need someone will want to start an airline. They will have no trouble finding street Captains and F/O's who think they will make Capt in 12 months.

Yes, but the 100 seated won't be flown by a Regional. Scope givebacks happen in BK, and the 76 seat limit hasn't been moved at most Legacies. Consolidation has made the big 3 plus SWA even stronger. DL getting 88 717s will fill in for 76 and 70 seaters filling in for outgoing 50 seaters.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Freebrd]

We know Jenny, you've written it a hundred times already. One can hope you hold the line at 76. Better yet, take that back too so some of can get out of the Regional mess!

 

[CFIT]

Yes, but the 100 seated won't be flown by a Regional. Scope givebacks happen in BK, and the 76 seat limit hasn't been moved at most Legacies. Consolidation has made the big 3 plus SWA even stronger. DL getting 88 717s will fill in for 76 and 70 seaters filling in for outgoing 50 seaters.


Bye Bye---General Lee

Really? Delta is getting 88 B717's!

Couldn't have given this priceless information out sooner?

I would have thought after 18K posts you could have enlightened us with this before now?

 

[SoberIrishman]

Someone please take him back. This time be sure to lock the door!

 

[COOPERVANE]

Wait!!! What's this about Delta getting 717's??? From where??? When did this happen??

Where am I?

 

[Ineedabrew]

Someone please take him back. This time be sure to lock the door!

Haha this time for good!

 

[Ineedabrew]

Yes, but the 100 seated won't be flown by a Regional. Scope givebacks happen in BK, and the 76 seat limit hasn't been moved at most Legacies. Consolidation has made the big 3 plus SWA even stronger. DL getting 88 717s will fill in for 76 and 70 seaters filling in for outgoing 50 seaters.


Bye Bye---General Lee

What's with all the resentment dude.... I have seen you post for all these years and you must be frustrated about some thing... What a squirrel turn you down while trying to get laid or something.... I mean ******************** you are one miserable person...

 

[Gr82Aviate]

Really? Delta is getting 88 B717's!

Couldn't have given this priceless information out sooner?

I would have thought after 18K posts you could have enlightened us with this before now?

C'mon now, give Genital Flea credit, he's just about up to 19000 posts now!!

 

[General Lee]

What's with all the resentment dude.... I have seen you post for all these years and you must be frustrated about some thing... What a squirrel turn you down while trying to get laid or something.... I mean ******************** you are one miserable person...

Wow, struck a nerve. Just stating facts. Don't expect 100 seaters, as YIP stated. Nope. And, I'm doing great! C ya!


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

C'mon now, give Genital Flea credit, he's just about up to 19000 posts now!!

19K more posts with substance than you. But hey, don't hate the playa, hate the game! Ah forget it, I simply don't care about you. Goodnight!


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[JumpersAway]

19K more posts with substance than you. But hey, don't hate the playa, hate the game! Ah forget it, I simply don't care about you. Goodnight!


Bye Bye---General Lee

General- it's loudly obvious that you don't care about anyone that isn't in a Delta uniform. This has been the case since you crafted your internet persona 18 thousand posts ago.

Here's the summation- it doesn't matter who flies what with any number of seats at the regional level. It's completely irrelevant, as is the scope. The pay isn't going to increase with regional aircraft size- just isn't going to happen. Regional pilots will not stay in the cycle of lowering pay, abysmal schedules, and tightening margins. Options are opening up for all who wish to take advantage of them. Your ability to gloat about obtaining a status above most pilots is withering by the month- pilots finally have the ability to move on. Frankly, I'm wishing them all luck- hope they leave the regional managements holding the bag, and Major carriers wondering why they can't get feed. Management has taken great pleasure on beating up on pilots for decades now, so let them enjoy their reward.

 

[Mickey Mouse]

Wow. It's 3 days later, and I am still astonished by the strength of the XJT pilot group; 83% NO. I humbly salute each of you. I think we ruined the celebration party for the executives, including The Honorable Charles Tutt. They thought we would buy that wretchedly insulting TA. They were gonna go out and have drinks. Paid-for by our hard work and the sleepless toil that we endure, week after week-month after month-year after year. I must say, I do not regret spoiling their celebration.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ehden6aPl0

 

[SoberIrishman]

Here's looking forward to a similar response from Envoy and others. Bendover and PSA aside, this is where the crap stops!