REJECTED by 83%!

[JustaNumber]

What will a union do for you, more pay? more days? maybe? of course until you get no pay and all your days off.

Everyone fears being Comaired, but the real story of Comair is that the pilots took the concessions to save their jobs, and look where it got them. Comair's fate was decided long before and irrespective of the pilot group votes.

That was one of the reasons I voted no--with no management assurances from voting either direction, I just didn't see how a 2% savings in only one department in a company was going to change the fate of the company or the industry. We're kidding ourselves if we think our vote made a difference either way in winning new contracts or getting wound down. Our fate has most likely already been determined, long before we ever voted.

 

[ASAFOE120]

Everyone fears being Comaired, but the real story of Comair is that the pilots took the concessions to save their jobs, and look where it got them. Comair's fate was decided long before and irrespective of the pilot group votes.

That was one of the reasons I voted no--with no management assurances from voting either direction, I just didn't see how a 2% savings in only one department in a company was going to change the fate of the company or the industry. We're kidding ourselves if we think our vote made a difference either way in winning new contracts or getting wound down. Our fate has most likely already been determined, long before we ever voted.

Purty much why I voted NO as well. Eagle, PSA, PNCL all had/have aircraft/flow/interview guaranteed to them. All we got was that we "might be more competitive in bidding on rfp's". BULL!!!!

If they want just a 2% savings, they should be able to rework lease deals, rework interest rates to more favorable terms, etc... to more than account for that measly 2%!!!

 

[PBRstreetgang]

What will a union do for you, more pay? more days? maybe? of course until you get no pay and all your days off.

Look Gramps,
Pilots don't run companies, they only have control of their vote for pay negotiations.As a long time SKYW pilot and having had the luxury of working without a CBA, my wage and benefit losses exceed 10K per year, probably more. ESPP, Health Care, BONUSES, ect, I could go on ad naseum but won't since it will wreck by early AM bourbon buzz. As a JR Capt, I was getting 16+ days off, now as a senior Capt, last month I was the lucky recipient of 11 whole days off. No CBA means no rules for the company, but we better follow them to the "T".

 

[russtgol]

Look Gramps,
Pilots don't run companies, they only have control of their vote for pay negotiations.As a long time SKYW pilot and having had the luxury of working without a CBA, my wage and benefit losses exceed 10K per year, probably more. ESPP, Health Care, BONUSES, ect, I could go on ad naseum but won't since it will wreck by early AM bourbon buzz. As a JR Capt, I was getting 16+ days off, now as a senior Capt, last month I was the lucky recipient of 11 whole days off. No CBA means no rules for the company, but we better follow them to the "T".

How many years do you have to put in to be a "senior Capt" ?

 

[PBRstreetgang]

How many years do you have to put in to be a "senior Capt" ?

Top 10% of the seniority list?

 

[twott driver]

If they're serious about cutting costs they will merge the two companies and shut the blue and white aircraft hanger down. Clean out the $1.2 million earning "management" types and other redundants and incompetents, and see how much that saves.

 

[XPOO]

If they're serious about cutting costs they will merge the two companies and shut the blue and white aircraft hanger down. Clean out the $1.2 million earning "management" types and other redundants and incompetents, and see how much that saves.

That's precisely the plan. You'll see it all starting to happen as early as this June. ExpressJet side will slowly shrink away, while SkyWest side will get all the new contracts and aircraft. That writing has been on the wall for about two years now.

 

[ILS8L]

That's precisely the plan. You'll see it all starting to happen as early as this June. ExpressJet side will slowly shrink away, while SkyWest side will get all the new contracts and aircraft. That writing has been on the wall for about two years now.

How are they going to staff all those airplanes? He was saying get rid of the cube dwellers and expensive management and combine the airline as one. Quit the whipsaw and run a "super regional".

 

[XPOO]

How are they going to staff all those airplanes? He was saying get rid of the cube dwellers and expensive management and combine the airline as one. Quit the whipsaw and run a "super regional".

Unfortunately, you'll still need about the same number of cubicle dwellers and expensive management. The management in place already at SkyWest couldn't possibly go from overseeing 10,000 employees to 20,000 employees overnight. The amount of dispatchers and crew schedulers it currently takes to oversee the SkyWest flight schedule and crews could not possibly handle overseeing a two-fold overnight increase. Try to at least be reasonable here.

Staffing the aircraft is easy, we're talking about a 9 year period from delivery of the first E175 to the last delivery of the MRJ.

 

[wms]

Staffing aircraft won't be easy, with expected attrition and no pilots coming in the challenge will be to reduce the fleet fast enough to keep up with pilot attrition.

If there is a merger, it will be because the combined company is become small enough to make it sensible

 

[Clutch]

Staffing aircraft won't be easy, with expected attrition and no pilots coming in the challenge will be to reduce the fleet fast enough to keep up with pilot attrition.

If there is a merger, it will be because the combined company is become small enough to make it sensible

I've been hearing about this pilot shortage for over 3 years. Every fall it's "gonna be in the spring". Every spring it's "coming at the end of fall".. I don't buy it any more.

 

[wms]

The managers of our industry are very worried, which carries more weight than fi.com. We can't cover attrition now and when dal and aa spool up it will really hit hard.

 

[ASAFOE120]

I've been hearing about this pilot shortage for over 3 years. Every fall it's "gonna be in the spring". Every spring it's "coming at the end of fall".. I don't buy it any more.

In the TA, the company wanted to be able to fly captains in the right seat for 20 hours a month. The ERJ guys have been offered 200% on trips for quite a while now. The company has taken away guys vaca in February. The company not replacing RDO's. And the LASA side still hiring and upgrading after parking a bunch of dl 200's. This is all going on at XJT.

Then you have signing bonuses at some airlines. Cash for referal programs at some airlines. Cancelled flights at some due to "crew availability".

Sounds like we are getting short of bodies at the regionals to me.

 

[JetLinkin Park]

I've been hearing about this pilot shortage for over 3 years. Every fall it's "gonna be in the spring". Every spring it's "coming at the end of fall".. I don't buy it any more.

You are correct, the term "pilot shortage" has been thrown around so frequently for so long that its lost all of its luster. I actually cringe when I hear/see people refer to it.

That said, I can tell you without question that XJT is in trouble right now with regards to staffing. We need more pilots. We can't get them. We are canceling vacations in Feb which means we will be canceling vacations throughout the year. We aren't restoring lost days off in accordance with our CPA. We are canceling dozens of flights a day (86 and counting today) because airplanes are parked with no one to crew them.

That is all fact.

That makes the outcome of our vote yesterday all the more significant. Will SKYW have staffing issues for their large A/C orders of the future? Candidly, I have no idea and I could care less.

As for now, things aren't so good and getting worse by week. We got the attention of a lot of people yesterday. In ATL, in SGU, in ORD, and hopefully in DFW.

There aren't 4,600 pilots coming to save the day. Or the week. Or the year.

 

[Nevets]

That's precisely the plan. You'll see it all starting to happen as early as this June. ExpressJet side will slowly shrink away, while SkyWest side will get all the new contracts and aircraft. That writing has been on the wall for about two years now.

Not all the aircraft, just the 70+ seaters. The others will be parked. And I would vote no again until it includes one list.

 

[pilotyip]

I've been hearing about this pilot shortage for over 3 years. Every fall it's "gonna be in the spring". Every spring it's "coming at the end of fall".. I don't buy it any more.

To quote Avbug, where ever he might be, there will never be a pilot shortage. But there is a growing hiring boom that started in 2012. As predicted back in 2010 it will hit the regionals and bottom feeders first, but it is coming to the majors. After all the majors skim all of the astronaut candidates off the top of the resume pile, they will be forced to start looking for qualified people. Just like 1998 when all the airlines said we have 15,000 resumes on hand, the trouble was they all had the same 15,000 resumes. After 15 months of hiring, the resume piles were very small. It is coming again. Already I have the college degree thing go to preferred on some job sites.

 

[Mickey Mouse]

How sad. I guess the company really never had any respect for the XJT pilot group, since this was their plan all along, and they never shared it. Oh well, back to my hot fudge Sunday.

 

[Freebrd]

. Oh well, back to my hot fudge Sunday.

Wow you on Jenny Leigh's flight?

 

[Mickey Mouse]

Wow you on Jenny Leigh's flight?

Turnabout is fair play

 

[robair73]

Regionals won't be around in 5-10 years. The smart ones will leave and the old dumb ones will be left behind. What happened to my kooshy regional job?!