REJECTED by 83%!

[1.3XVso]

As a 15% NO voter at mother endevour. Nice job and thank you for giving me some light that there are people with a spine. Next time on a commute lunch is on me.

 

[mesaba13]

Comair took a stand as well. No one can seem to understand that regionals have zero leverage, get out while you can. I agree that the next offer will be less. How many 50 seat jets does express jet have compared to 70 seaters ? That is not a good sign.

 

[1.3XVso]

Comair took a stand as well. No one can seem to understand that regionals have zero leverage, get out while you can. I agree that the next offer will be less. How many 50 seat jets does express jet have compared to 70 seaters ? That is not a good sign.

Please dude...your parasite in this thread. disappear please.

 

[flynryan15]

Comair took a stand as well. No one can seem to understand that regionals have zero leverage, get out while you can. I agree that the next offer will be less. How many 50 seat jets does express jet have compared to 70 seaters ? That is not a good sign.

How did giving in work for Mesaba?

 

[Goodstick]

Eagle guy that is proud of all Express Jet guys No voters. We better do the same and everyone I talk to is a firm NO.

 

[JetLinkin Park]

How did giving in work for Mesaba?

Ding. Ding. We have a winner.

We had two options:

1.) Take voluntary concessions with no promise of a future.
2.) Tell them to stick it with no promise of a future.

Message sent. If they want to replace 4,500 pilots then go right on ahead. They can't fill a class of 40.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Better question is: How do we get rid of ALPA and combine with SKW for an in house union?

Trust me, you don't want SKYW pilots anywhere near your voting, the Koolaid doesn't have to be very strong to get them to bite. Single carrier petition, look it up, not very difficult to find, want one, file the petition.
http://files.ali-aba.org/thumbs/datastorage/skoobesruoc/pdf/25JamesSingleCarrierCG055_thumb.pdf

Or:
14 NMB 218, 236 (1987).
The Board finds a single transportation system only
when there is substantial integration of operations, financial
control, and labor and personnel functions.
Burlington N.
Santa Fe Ry. Co.
, 32 NMB 163 (2005);
Huron and Eastern Ry.
Co., Inc.
, 31 NMB 450 (2004);
Portland & Western R.R., Inc.,
31
NMB 71 (2003);
American Airlines and Reno Air
, 26 NMB 467
(1999). Further, the Board has noted that a substantial degree
of overlapping ownership, senior management, and Boards of
Directors is critical to finding a single transportation system.
Precision Valley Aviation, Inc., d/b/a Precision Airlines and
Valley Flying Serv., Inc., d/b/a Northeast Express Reg?l Airlines
,
20 NMB 619 (1993).

 

[Mickey Mouse]

83%

Whew, that was close!

 

[mesaba13]

Voting in our agreement bought us time to move on. It takes a while to be hired at at Delta, United, American, etc. Our agreement is around a year old and the first guys to get on through the SSP are just now leaving. If we would have shut down many of us would have been forced out instead of getting on with Delta.

My advice is to get out of the regionals as soon as you can.

 

[Goodstick]

Voting in our agreement bought us time to move on. It takes a while to be hired at at Delta, United, American, etc. Our agreement is around a year old and the first guys to get on through the SSP are just now leaving. If we would have shut down many of us would have been forced out instead of getting on with Delta.

My advice is to get out of the regionals as soon as you can.

Bet you would cross a picket line too. You fool, if everyone did what you did then your major ailine job will eventually feel the downward pressure as the large RJs get to be so much cheaper.

 

[Goodstick]

We need to get the word out that PSA guys and Endeavor guys are pushovers. I'm sure the Major pilots don't want this type of guy on their lists.

 

[mesaba13]

Says the guys gladly flying 15 of our 900's around.

Voting in a contract that still paid me $100,000 last year and bought us some time versus the street, comparable to crossing a picket line?

Union 101: the guys screaming the loudest about full pay to the last day are always the first to cross.

 

[rtmcfi]

What a humiliating day for the PSA and bend over folks... NICE JOB expressjet!

 

[1.3XVso]

Voting in our agreement bought us time to move on. It takes a while to be hired at at Delta, United, American, etc. Our agreement is around a year old and the first guys to get on through the SSP are just now leaving. If we would have shut down many of us would have been forced out instead of getting on with Delta.

My advice is to get out of the regionals as soon as you can.

There you go again with shutting down talk.

 

[flynryan15]

Says the guys gladly flying 15 of our 900's around.

Voting in a contract that still paid me $100,000 last year and bought us some time versus the street, comparable to crossing a picket line?

Union 101: the guys screaming the loudest about full pay to the last day are always the first to cross.

Weren't the mesa's 900's first, then pinnacles, before they were "yours"? Yeah I thought so! Don't even try to weasel your way out of it either because when I was furloughed from XJT I was hired at Pcl and my class cancelled because those planes went to Mesaba, then I was hired at Mesaba and my class cancelled when the planes went to ASA. News flash those are Deltas planes and they are flown by who delta wants!

Another thing it is the likes of people like you that will cross a picket line to save your "$100,000 a year job"! Not the 3,399 pilots at XJT that just held the line.

 

[1.3XVso]

Weren't the mesa's 900's first, then pinnacles, before they were "yours"? Yeah I thought so! Don't even try to weasel your way out of it either because when I was furloughed from XJT I was hired at Pcl and my class cancelled because those planes went to Mesaba, then I was hired at Mesaba and my class cancelled when the planes went to ASA. News flash those are Deltas planes and they are flown by who delta wants!

Another thing it is the likes of people like you that will cross a picket line to save your "$100,000 a year job"! Not the 3,399 pilots at XJT that just held the line.

Don't waste your time dude arguing with these guys .

 

[jynxyjericho]

This is Xjt's thread Bendeavor guys, don't take the bait. Start another thread if it is that important.

Congrads XJT.

 

[wms]

Comair took a stand as well. No one can seem to understand that regionals have zero leverage, get out while you can. I agree that the next offer will be less. How many 50 seat jets does express jet have compared to 70 seaters ? That is not a good sign.

Comair was a completely different dynamic. It cost dal nothing to shut it down, they still own the planes and get revenue from them. Skyw will lose the bulk of its revenue and operation winding xjt down. Meanwhile we still have furlough protection and a watered-down fragmentation policy.

 

[IBNAV8R]

Congrats guys. I'm not gonna disparage the yes voters. I'm sure they had their reasons. The fact that 91% gave a crap enough to vote will get BH's attention.

 

[Freebrd]

83%

Whew, that was close!

whew yeah

 

[JetLinkin Park]

Says the guys gladly flying 15 of our 900's around.

Voting in a contract that still paid me $100,000 last year and bought us some time....

I'm not wasting too much time on an anonymous board discussing stuff with guys who just don't get it - but allow me to make a simple point as I'm interested in your response (not really).

All you did by "buying us some time" was create more substandard jobs at the regional level. Do you realize the implications of that? You're eliminating BETTER PAYING jobs at the next level which is extremely ironic considering you're reasoning (of ultimately going to DAL). You've done NOTHING but give Delta a reason to outsource its flying of 100 seat airplanes INSTEAD of hiring you and you're coworkers to do it while wearing a shiny new Delta ID badge.

Best of luck with your endeavors in this industry.

 

[Mickey Mouse]

I'm not wasting too much time on an anonymous board discussing stuff with guys who just don't get it - but allow me to make a simple point as I'm interested in your response (not really).

All you did by "buying us some time" was create more substandard jobs at the regional level. Do you realize the implications of that? You're eliminating BETTER PAYING jobs at the next level which is extremely ironic considering you're reasoning (of ultimately going to DAL). You've done NOTHING but give Delta a reason to outsource its flying of 100 seat airplanes INSTEAD of hiring you and you're coworkers to do it while wearing a shiny new Delta ID badge.

Best of luck with your endeavors in this industry.

Shove it up your ass

 

[Goodstick]

Shove it up your ass

Truth hurt huh?

 

[jetstream]

ExpressJet pilots:

Next time you find yourself in the hotel van with a crew from a regional that voted for concessions; look them in the eye and shake their hand then look at their flight attendant and give her a little wink cause she knows she is flying with a couple of pu&%#'s.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

Shove it up your ass

No one made anywhere near 100k at Colgansmashaba on that contract.

 

[1.3XVso]

Shove it up your ass

spineless
scab

 

[jynxyjericho]

You should see some Endavor turds....throwing bags and being extra helpful....perhaps hoping DL will put a nice note in their file--Hire THIS guy!!

Suck it yourself. No one made anywhere near 100k at Colgancrashsaba on that contract.

In 2013 most of the top guys didn't take a hit because of the longevity payout, they will easily make 100,000. This year the top guys will still make six figures if they pick up a couple four days.

Seriously guys, XJT had a good day. We all know that 9E has a concessionary contract. Start up another thread if it's that important to you. Congrads again XJT.

 

[mesaba13]

I didn't know we had the power to "create jobs" that were lowering paying. If it is as simple as you seem to think just fight the good fight, stand up for the highest wage and see how it works out for you at the regional level.

I predict that when Expressjet is put in the same position as Pinnacle they will preserve their jobs just like anyone would. They will then blame 9E which kind of sounds familiar to us blaming go-jets, etc.

 

[jynxyjericho]

I didn't know we had the power to "create jobs" that were lowering paying. If it is as simple as you seem to think just fight the good fight, stand up for the highest wage and see how it works out for you at the regional level.

I predict that when Expressjet is put in the same position as Pinnacle they will preserve their jobs just like anyone would. They will then blame 9E which kind of sounds familiar to us blaming go-jets, etc.

Never mind there will be thousands less regional jobs. The poster who said that was just responding on reflex. More evidence he's probably being a troll.

XJT has a little more leeway to get paid more since their parent company is actually raking in money. Ours was burning it as fast as they could find it.

Mesaba (me included) used to blame 9E and everyone else (other than Eagle and ASA) for bringing the industry down when our concessionary contract was still worth more than both of their voted in contract (or in colgan's case, whatever was offered). Now we're all in the same sinking ship.

Good news is our gamble has worked somewhat. 1,100 guys off property (hopefully) somewhere with brighter futures. We'll all be gone somewhere else soon. Just got to stay off unemployment until that happens.

 

[ThrottleJockey1]

My sincere respect.

Congratulations to everyone at Expressjet and ASA.
Take a moment and know that you have just bonded into a group. It doesn't happen very often and it is as important as integrity.
Move forward as a unified group and I wish you all the best.
Highest regards, PSA driver