Reionals fate? Delta/NWA Merger?

[xjhawk]

What will become of the regionals contracts with a merger? This is not a bashing thread to see who is better, I just want to know if anyone knows the legal fate/ALPA merger pilocy on regionals and mergers. What is Deltas take on all the regionals for both carriers. Comair/Pinnacle/ASA/Skywest/Compass/Mesaba. Some are owned outright, some are not, what is the fate. I guess XJ's flow through will be toast.

 

[skid]

all out cock fight just like in HI

 

[HockleyPilot]

Is a Reional, a Mexican Airline Regional airline?

Royer?

I know, I'm an arse. Just puling you chain a bit.

 

[No.W.]

I don't think this is going to be pretty.

 

[flyboyzz1]

how many of the same threads do we have to start.

 

[siucavflight]

5000.

 

[711-24-7]

Is a Reional, a Mexican Airline Regional airline?

Royer?

I know, I'm an arse. Just puling you chain a bit.

:laugh: :beer: :laugh:

 

[contrail67]

It will not be good...Delta will control this.

 

[Flybet3]

What will become of the regionals contracts with a merger? This is not a bashing thread to see who is better, I just want to know if anyone knows the legal fate/ALPA merger pilocy on regionals and mergers. What is Deltas take on all the regionals for both carriers. Comair/Pinnacle/ASA/Skywest/Compass/Mesaba. Some are owned outright, some are not, what is the fate. I guess XJ's flow through will be toast.

Comair will be gone, and I guarantee Pinchnickle will be don too. As for the flowthrough? who knows brother, flowthroughs never really work out. Look at eagle. They had an "OK" flowthrough agreement when it started, but now...well, you know.

 

[i fly boxes]

Comair will be gone, and I guarantee Pinchnickle will be don too. As for the flowthrough? who knows brother, flowthroughs never really work out. Look at eagle. They had an "OK" flowthrough agreement when it started, but now...well, you know.

We will be don, Don of all regionals, ruling over all

 

[Flyer1015]

Comair will be gone, and I guarantee Pinchnickle will be don too. As for the flowthrough? who knows brother, flowthroughs never really work out. Look at eagle. They had an "OK" flowthrough agreement when it started, but now...well, you know.

You really need to look at our ASA before spewing off garbage like that...

 

[~~~^~~~]

My forecast is Delta to park NWA's DC9's. When the NWA fleet falls below min values forcing the parking of Compass / Mesaba / Pinnacle those RJ's will be transferred to Comair and Comair sold with the "new" flying award from NWA's fleet reductions.

Obviously DAL's scope has to change if they are going to operate NWA as a subsidiary.

ASA / Skywest / Republic (aka Shuttle or whatever they call themselves this week) all safe for now. In fact, probably safe for as long as we can see from here. Chautauqua's 50 seat operation might see changes.

Mesa = Toast unless they can get a restraining order against Delta. After Mesa is a smoking hole, look for Delta to possibly move some larger RJ to Hawaii.

But I know nothing....

 

[xjhawk]

4500 posts!

My forecast is Delta to park NWA's DC9's. When the NWA fleet falls below min values forcing the parking of Compass / Mesaba / Pinnacle those RJ's will be transferred to Comair and Comair sold with the "new" flying award from NWA's fleet reductions.

Obviously DAL's scope has to change if they are going to operate NWA as a subsidiary.

ASA / Skywest / Republic (aka Shuttle or whatever they call themselves this week) all safe for now. In fact, probably safe for as long as we can see from here. Chautauqua's 50 seat operation might see changes.

Mesa = Toast unless they can get a restraining order against Delta. After Mesa is a smoking hole, look for Delta to possibly move some larger RJ to Hawaii.

But I know nothing....

This guy must know every secret in the industry, then spew it all on FI. Seriously, Delta will not just tank a company they own.....think of the business sense....

 

[SBD]

Ahhh, the smart airline execs at FI.com I predict that Comair/Pinnacle/Mesaba/Compass/ASA/Skywest/
Republic/ExpressJet/whoever I forgot will get the bozak!!!!

 

[rickair7777]

This guy must know every secret in the industry, then spew it all on FI. Seriously, Delta will not just tank a company they own.....think of the business sense....

The fact that they own comair means little.

The fact that they paid huge bank to purchase it (pre 9/11) means NOTHING.

They have been trying to unload it for years...but no takers.


The only two factors to consider are:

What is it worth NOW?

How badly does DAL need to to reduce regional flying?


If they need reductions, can't get them elsewhere, and the market cap is low enough they could shut it down. I personally think they won't, but it's not a sure bet.

 

[DoinTime]

My forecast is Delta to park NWA's DC9's. When the NWA fleet falls below min values forcing the parking of Compass / Mesaba / Pinnacle those RJ's will be transferred to Comair and Comair sold with the "new" flying award from NWA's fleet reductions.

There are no minimum fleet requirements to qualify for RJ lift at NWA anymore. Try another theory.

 

[B727FA]

Republic (aka Shuttle or whatever they call themselves this week) all safe for now. In fact, probably safe for as long as we can see from here. Chautauqua's 50 seat operation might see changes.

Ummmm...what they've been called all along. RAH is the holding CO for Chautauqua, Shuttle America and Republic Airlines. CQ has known about the reduction on the 145 platform (primarily via the 135 fleet) for quite some time.

How ironc that you end your post with "I know nothing."

 

[rogerwilcoout]

My forecast is Delta to park NWA's DC9's. When the NWA fleet falls below min values forcing the parking of Compass / Mesaba / Pinnacle those RJ's will be transferred to Comair and Comair sold with the "new" flying award from NWA's fleet reductions.

Obviously DAL's scope has to change if they are going to operate NWA as a subsidiary.

ASA / Skywest / Republic (aka Shuttle or whatever they call themselves this week) all safe for now. In fact, probably safe for as long as we can see from here. Chautauqua's 50 seat operation might see changes.

Mesa = Toast unless they can get a restraining order against Delta. After Mesa is a smoking hole, look for Delta to possibly move some larger RJ to Hawaii.

But I know nothing....

you really that dumb?

 

[405]

The one true fact is NOT one of us know what's going to happen. We're all sitting in an intertube with a six pack of beer tied on to the side about to head into some Class V rapids. Just hang on.

It's not going to be fun.

 

[Papa Woody]

The one true fact is NOT one of us know what's going to happen. We're all sitting in an intertube with a six pack of beer tied on to the side about to head into some Class V rapids. Just hang on.

It's not going to be fun.

<<intertube>>

isn't that the medical term for what connects your colon to your rectum?

If so, mine's about to blow! Gimme some more of that beer....

 

[~~~^~~~]

There are no minimum fleet requirements to qualify for RJ lift at NWA anymore. Try another theory.

You sure about that?

The NWA guys are all saying the DC9's can't get parked without forcing RJ reductions. Delta has a little wiggle room under their scope (which may get bigger without Mesa) so a transfer to the Delta side seemed to make sense while they operate in the interim with NWA as a subsidiary.

SkyWest and Republic seem to have inviolate contracts.

You disagree?

As far as flow throughs go, my guess is that DAL will hire pilots after the NWA deal is consumated. NWA may have hired their last pilot ever when those functions become part of the Delta HR machine.

 

[B.T.Justice]

Well Skywest/ASA own the gates in ATL. And ASA is guaranteed a minimum number of flights out of ATL. Were 3 years into a 15 year contract....So unless Delta enters BK, and decides it can do without the C Concourse, Skywest/ASA is safe.

Those guys in St. George are pretty smart cookies.

 

[Flybet3]

We will be don, Don of all regionals, ruling over all

uuuuuuhuh

 

[Jmoney]

Look.....

You really need to look at our ASA before spewing off garbage like that...

You really need to look at your post history, sir....

When analyzed carefully-compared and contrasted with the erudite nectar flowing from the fingers of other posters on this or pretty much any other aviation site-it is impossible to arrive at any conclusion other than the truth.......

That truth being that your were, are, and in all likelihood will continue to be a booger-gnawing moron!

 

[Flybet3]

That truth being that your were, are, and in all likelihood will continue to be a booger-gnawing moron!

HAHAHAHA! That sh*** is just priceless.

 

[captain dad]

I left XJ prior to the last deal with the flow through, so I am not privy to the details, so this is not a flame.

That being said, is there a flow back or is there a fence?

If this merger goes through, which it sounds inevitable, there will be anywhere from 500 to 1,000 pilots on the curb. Where they come from is what I would be concerned with.

Good luck guys. All my best.

 

[WIPilot]

I left XJ prior to the last deal with the flow through, so I am not privy to the details, so this is not a flame.

That being said, is there a flow back or is there a fence?

If this merger goes through, which it sounds inevitable, there will be anywhere from 500 to 1,000 pilots on the curb. Where they come from is what I would be concerned with.

Good luck guys. All my best.

There is a flow back equal to the number of people who flow up

 

[WIPilot]

Well Skywest/ASA own the gates in ATL. And ASA is guaranteed a minimum number of flights out of ATL. Were 3 years into a 15 year contract....So unless Delta enters BK, and decides it can do without the C Concourse, Skywest/ASA is safe.

Those guys in St. George are pretty smart cookies.

With all due respect, you guys can make believe whatever you want contract or not. The truth is anything can happen, with or without bankruptcy.

 

[Smarta$$]

There are no minimum fleet requirements to qualify for RJ lift at NWA anymore. Try another theory.

I think there might be on the 76 seat stuff. But I could be wrong.

 

[marycon]

My guess would be that it may be a year or two before anything affects the wholly owned operations, Mesaba, ComAir and Compass.

I would think that Mesaba would be relatively safe considering the turbo-prop and 900 operation. The 200's transferred from 9E that XJ is operating are probably in the same danger that all 50 seat flying is industry wide.

In the end of course who knows, I have yet to ever see an accurate prediction of things to come from this board, crewroom speculation, or my own musings.