Regions Air goes big time

[Serrano]

Sinking to new depths...

The HR person at corpex is refusing to pay earned vacation pay, an illegal move.

Also is a vast effort to enforce the training contract. The view on the street is that it is probably unenforcible. Unfortunately, you will probably have to get a lawyer.

I do want to stress that this appears to be coming only from HR, not the CP's office.

Good luck to all my friends...

 

[belchfire]

The theft of earned vacation time is inexcusable. I know that at least one former employee is seeking legal guidance.

The contract? I dunno, but I bet that there are ways around it. For a few individuals I know that there is.

I know that the longer that I am there the worse things seem to get. The lines, the QOL, the attitude that certian people seem to have towards the "valued employees" (not just pilots) ie: the people that make the thing work on a day to day basis, is abominable.

It seems that being committed to staying in the 19 seat market the only way for them to stay in operation is to take more from fewer people.

The saddest thing is that it doesn't have to be that way and no company can survive by mistreating the ones that produce the product.

It's a dang shame...used to be a fun place. Now everyone is wondering what the next rotten thing will be.

 

[belchfire]

Oh yeah, and I know of only two or three pilots there have not been sending out resumes, regardless of total time...

The place is circling the drain.

 

[FoxBravo]

I have been contacted by the law office of "Dewey, Cheatum & Howe" in the matter of Corporate Airlines v. me. What kind of company goes directly to a law suit instead of trying to contact me about paying off my training contract? A bunch of freakin losers. The CP appologized to me and said he had nothing to do with it. I have found out it is the new HR person and Fred. If you ever think of working for this $hit hole please get in touch with me. I will be more than happy to beat some sense into you.

 

[belchfire]

I have been contacted by the law office of "Dewey, Cheatum & Howe" in the matter of Corporate Airlines v. me. What kind of company goes directly to a law suit instead of trying to contact me about paying off my training contract? A bunch of freakin losers. The CP appologized to me and said he had nothing to do with it. I have found out it is the new HR person and Fred. If you ever think of working for this $hit hole please get in touch with me. I will be more than happy to beat some sense into you.

Hehehe...nice one Fox. Reminds me of a line from
"The Wall" album..."fills me with the urge to deficate!"
"No Judge, the audience!"
"...I sentence you to be
exposed before your peers." from "The Trial"

They did have a way with words.
I hope that it is prophetic in this case...er, cases...

Good Luck to all, go get 'em! You can only kick
good people around for so long!

"5205 up in the sky with it's wheels up at :27
Seeyaaaah!"

It was a good time my man...

 

[AV80R]

Greetings fellow Corpexers, uhm, Rejexers!

I was talking to one of the guys we recently managed to steal from y’all and was told that everyone is now paying Missouri state tax “because that’s where you are based and thus that’s where you live.” (supposedly you can claim it back though at the end of the year).

Am I missing something here? I remember when I was doing my taxes several months ago, the tax specialist told me pilots are always paying taxes based on where they actually live NOT their domiciles; he said airlines may not withhold state taxes just because your base happens to be in a different state than where you actually live (true for 90% of all pilots?). Is Corpex of a different view???

FoxBravo – shame on you for stealing venerable Big_Beer_Belly’s avator, you might be getting a call from his/her attorney as well! (B_B_B - just kiddin' )


"I have been contacted by the law office of "Dewey, Cheatum & Howe" in the matter of Corporate Airlines v. me."
FoxBravo - Would you please shed some light on your situation? Did you leave before your 1-year sentence was up, or what’s the reason for the law suit?

Seriously though, hang in there folks, hope to see y’all at the job fair - you know me, I’ll be pushing very hard for all of you.

Luv, HomeY

 

[FoxBravo]

I would first like to apologize to Big_Beer_Belly for the theft of his avatar. I shall comence a search for a new avatar post haste.

FoxBravo - Would you please shed some light on your situation? Did you leave before your 1-year sentence was up, or what’s the reason for the law suit?

I did in fact leave prior to serving my 1 year sentence. I am unsure as to the reason for the law suit. They didn't send any corespondance to me prior to the law suit. I presumed that they would be sending me a bill/letter or at least call me and try to get their cash for me leaving too soon. However, they decided to go straight to the lawyers. I really don't have a problem with them wanting their money. I did sign the training contract (I'm such a dumb a$$). I just don't care for the manner in which they are going about collecting it. I feel better after talking about it but it still burns me a little.

 

[BlackPilot628]

I have been contacted by the law office of "Dewey, Cheatum & Howe" in the matter of Corporate Airlines v. me. What kind of company goes directly to a law suit instead of trying to contact me about paying off my training contract? A bunch of freakin losers. The CP appologized to me and said he had nothing to do with it. I have found out it is the new HR person and Fred. If you ever think of working for this $hit hole please get in touch with me. I will be more than happy to beat some sense into you.

Just major BullSh!t!


They have to have to WORST management staff in the airline industry. May god be with you Corpex boys. GS smack a few around for me would ya.

CB you're a B747 driver! You're my daddy!

 

[BlackPilot628]

"I have been contacted by the law office of "Dewey, Cheatum & Howe" in the matter of Corporate Airlines v. me."
FoxBravo - Would you please shed some light on your situation? Did you leave before your 1-year sentence was up, or what’s the reason for the law suit?

The sad thing about it was. That we were forced to sign it 5 months after being employed with the company. " Sign it or you're fired"

MAN OH MAN!

 

[belchfire]

The tax thing pisses me off too. I fought
with the previous (er, two back) HR person
and he did figure out the tax thing, then
fought with the state of misery to the dang
money back...er, MY MONEY!!!

"The beatings will continue untill morale improves"
is optomistic. I think that they will continue till
there is noone left to beat on...

 

[CA1900]

As a fellow 19-seat pilot, I feel your pain, though it sounds like you guys have it even worse.

These seem very appropriate right now:

http://www.despair.com/arrogance.html
http://www.despair.com/retirement.html


Picture them up on the wall at company HQ.

(The site has tons of them; they're really funny. Enjoy.)

 

[KingAirer]

On another note, What are the airplanes that used to do BNA-TRI, ATL doing now. Are they adding freq or just sitting around as spares or what.

 

[FlyFastLiveSlow]

The sad thing about it was. That we were forced to sign it 5 months after being employed with the company. " Sign it or you're fired"

MAN OH MAN!

5 years ago, when I got hired there, they tried this crap 3 weeks into training. I simply said, "go ahead and fire me, and yuou can deal with my attorney." They never asked me to sign again.

As far as the WORST management. Not all are bad....unfortunately, the good ones have their hands handcuffed.

 

[BlackPilot628]

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As far as the WORST management. Not all are bad....unfortunately, the good ones have their hands handcuffed.

Your correct. Anyone that has been a pilot up there is pretty good. the CP and the DO have been helpful, but there hands are tied. CL who is the records administrator is great as well.

 

[FoxBravo]

Well guys, I may be coming back to work off my last three months. Polar has been released into the 30 day cooling off period as of 16 Aug. So 16 Sept. if there is no new contract I'll be on strike. I talked to the CP of corpex the other day and he said I was welcome back anytime. I just don't know if I could do it again. Besides, I would get better pay and more respect if I took the job as a Wal Mart greeter. I have been working on a few other options as well.....ahem......."would you like to super size that?". I think I'm almost ready....

 

[flygirl_1313]

Doesn't the contract you signed at Region's actually say Corporate Express still on the top? Wouldn't that fact make it a void contract considering they are no longer corpex?? Just curious... good luck to all trying to get out...

 

[AV80R]

Why now???

Doesn't the contract you signed at Region's actually say Corporate Express still on the top? Wouldn't that fact make it a void contract considering they are no longer corpex?? Just curious... good luck to all trying to get out...


I seriously doubt it says Corporate Express, as “Express” was dropped some 6 years ago for “Airlines” because of the printing company’s “Corporate Express” name infringement allegations. (next time you jumpseat on Southwest look at the bottom of their jumpseat form - the form was printed by “Corporate Express”)

It probably says Corporate Airlines but since the company never went out of business but merely changed its name I’d imagine they might have a case here. However, the question is - why did they decide to pursue something they’ve ignored for years? I mean, they’ve had hundreds of pilots leave prior to their 1-year mark and usually if you gave them 2 week notice, they’d be quite understanding. They are either trying to make a point to prevent the next “escapee” from even thinking about it or somehow you really pissed them of (I’m just speculating). Did you give them at least 2-week notice? I seriously doubt they’ll spend too much money on attorney fees, etc. and it’ll probably go away but who knows? I mean, what’s the point? Either way, good luck to you!

 

[NuGuy]

The sad thing about it was. That we were forced to sign it 5 months after being employed with the company. " Sign it or you're fired"

MAN OH MAN!

If anyone is in this position, simply put the initials S.U.D. after your signature. This is short for "signed under duress".

Nu

 

[BlackPilot628]

Doesn't the contract you signed at Region's actually say Corporate Express still on the top? Wouldn't that fact make it a void contract considering they are no longer corpex?? Just curious... good luck to all trying to get out...


I seriously doubt it says Corporate Express, as “Express” was dropped some 6 years ago for “Airlines” because of the printing company’s “Corporate Express” name infringement allegations. (next time you jumpseat on Southwest look at the bottom of their jumpseat form - the form was printed by “Corporate Express”)

It probably says Corporate Airlines but since the company never went out of business but merely changed its name I’d imagine they might have a case here. However, the questions is why did they decide to pursue something they’ve ignored for years? I mean, they’ve had hundreds of pilots leave prior to their 1-year mark and usually if you gave them 2 week notice, they’d be quite understanding. They are either trying to make a point to prevent the next “escapee” from even thinking about it or somehow you really pissed them of (I’m just speculating). Did you give them at least 2-week notice? I seriously doubt they’ll spend too much money on attorney fees, etc. and it’ll probably go away but who knows? I mean, what’s the point? Either way, good luck to you!

All of the guys in my class that have left did give at least a 1 month notice. I gave my notice and worked the complete next month until my last leg of the month.

 

[belchfire]

I have been trying to think of something
that has been done in the past few years
to improve conditions for the employees...

a little help here?

Nothing that I can think of that would show
that Regions is successfully operating in a
viable nitch market.

I would love for someone to prove me wrong,
bring it! Please!

OH wait, I know! They haven't defaulted on
the retirement plan!

I guess that the warning is that you can't come
here anymore and get stripes and some 121 time
and run away clean...plan on staying for a year,
at least untill the pending enforcements are ironed
out.

And you'll get to stay at a motel 6...

 

[FoxBravo]

Did you give them at least 2-week notice? I seriously doubt they’ll spend too much money on attorney fees, etc. and it’ll probably go away but who knows? I mean, what’s the point? Either way, good luck to you!

Yes, we did give at least a 2 week notice. I gave 3 weeks. The company attorney said Fred is drawing a line in the sand here. There seems to be enough of us that left around the same time to make it worth while to fight this time.

Belch- Keep looking for that improvement. From what I've seen (albeit in a short 9 months) there hasn't nor will there be any improvement in the working conditions at crapex/regex. I'm still fighting for ya in other directions. Keep the faith and we'll get you out of there.

 

[belchfire]

"A line in the sand"...

Nice...

would be the same sand that the FCH is
written in?

Hehehehe, common fracking laugh, it's a joke!
(And we all know that the best jokes have an
element of truth.)

Fox my brother, only those without hope are
hopeless and faith is the substance of things
not seen.

I'm with ya! Anytime, anywhere!

I gotta get out of here and get a wahingmachine
part so that I can fix that pos and wash my uniform...
cause I don't have a uniform allowance!

 

[FoxBravo]

Hey Belch, How many times you gonna fix that washing machine? Get a new rock already. By the time your done you'll have replaced the entire thing one piece at a time. I say wear the dirty uniform. If they wanted you to wear a clean one they would pay you enough to buy a new rock.

The FCH isn't written in sand, it's in crayon on toilet paper!

 

[Geigo]

Can't say anything about the contract thing, but as far as withholding vacation & state withholding; go to the state's "Hourly & Wage" department. That way you won't have to pay a lawyer. I would think if enough cases are filed against them it might cause a review of their employment practices by the state's department of revenue. But be carefull this could be a double edged sword if things are as bad as you say.

 

[FoxBravo]

Things are as bad as they say. I have never seen such a screwed up operation. I had worked at two other airlines before and these guys take the cake. I honestly don't know how they are going to make it worse, but I'm sure they will find a way.

 

[Serrano]

Things are as bad as they say. I have never seen such a screwed up operation. I had worked at two other airlines before and these guys take the cake. I honestly don't know how they are going to make it worse, but I'm sure they will find a way.

The DO says "xxx & xxx worked hard to make lines better"
but no-one can find the improvements except for one roster
that gets off at 2100 in stl and shows @ 0700 next day.

 

[BlackPilot628]

Yeah man. Wear that dirty uniform. No one will care.
Belch- How does it feel to be a "Certified Jetsteam Teacher"?

I still pray for you boys at corpex! Be safe

 

[belchfire]

Hey Belch, How many times you gonna fix that washing machine? Get a new rock already. By the time your done you'll have replaced the entire thing one piece at a time. I say wear the dirty uniform. If they wanted you to wear a clean one they would pay you enough to buy a new rock.

The FCH isn't written in sand, it's in crayon on toilet paper!

Hehehe, nice. I was looking at a washboard
at one of the local hardware stores but they
didn't have the big galvanized tub with the
hand crank wringer on the side. Otherwise...
my wife would really be pissed!

Your departure was impecably timed...lines
are getting worse...in new and creative ways,
yet the authors thereof claim that they've been
that way for years...

My gosh, you get told that you need to act like
a proffessional airline pilot, keep your tie straight
and that stuff but get paid and treated like a
burgerflipper...and they wonder why the morale
is circling the drain...why people don't want to
stay, why noone believes the latest saab story
will happen, where our long awaited "spare" aircraft
went, why we are contracting when most other
regionals are growing, blah, blah, blah...

Geeze...

For them what know me, well you know that I
love my job and that in a warped way I really enjoy
the jetpig. I am just really weary of trying to do
the impossible for the ungrateful.

We should be properly compensated for the
experience we bring to the line.

We should have a good quality of life and resonable
rest...not just barely "legal" overnights.

Our families deserve better.

 

[belchfire]

Yeah man. Wear that dirty uniform. No one will care.
Belch- How does it feel to be a "Certified Jetsteam Teacher"?

I still pray for you boys at corpex! Be safe

It's good...I have a few things to pass on to the
FNG's (by now I ought to, huh?) and it keeps me
on my toes big time. I got there just in time for
the training to come to a screeching halt!

I'd still rather be paired with one of my faves
though. Alas they keep leaving-I am running out
of FO's that I look foreward to getting paired
with (heck, lots leave before I even get a chance
to fly with them!)...and lines that I "want"...I keep
bidding the lesser evil.

"The prayers of a righteous man availeth much"
Thanks man, we need them!

 

[AV80R]

I must say I expected more of you guys at the job fair, only saw a couple or so.