Regional FO's Depressed

[Mike man]

I own a house...I bought it while I was a CFI, making only slightly less than I did my first year as a F/O. I have tons of friends who work for GM, Accenture, PeopleSoft, etc. and so on. They didn't start out making 60,000-100,000 a year, most started in the high 20's or low 30's depending on where they worked, and location. But now they make 60,000-100,000 a year or more in a few cases, but they work 5 days a week and sit in rush hour traffic every morning and every night. I don't ever sit in rush hour traffic...I have 14-17 days off each month...my friends have 8 days off a month. If you don't like it you should quit and go work at a desk in a cubical every day for the rest of your working life and listen to Sally repeat "corporate accounts payable, please hold" over and over and over and over...and don't forget the cover letter on your TPS report.

 

[belchfire]

Depressed regional FO's???

Try being a regional CA that is making
less than any 3rd year RJ FO...and when
my ship does come in, I'll probably be
in some damm airport!

 

[PacoPollo]

Ask any 6year+ FO at Eagle how does it feel.....

 

[Panda]

Maybe your brother should have to do six month and year checks to keep his job as a doctor. You know, operate within tolerances or he is either demoted to nurse or terminated, all up to the hospital, of course, and the mood of the examining doctor. Maybe a week back to med school for a little recurrent training. I am also quite positive that your doctor brother spends 300 hours a month in completely different states than his family and friends. Tell me, flyNhawaiin767, how many written tests, and multi-phase interviews did your brother go through to get his current job. Not to get his license, but his current JOB.


Just having some fun with ya hawaiin man. Please don't call me a loser.

Doctors go through annual courses called CMEs (Continued Medical Education) among other certification requirements. They are on call for extended periods of time and get little sleep at times. Getting into a Residency program is highly competitive, let alone Medical School. Anytime a Doc changes jobs, he/she undergoes a rigorous interviewing and testing process (depending on the State.) And oh, by the way, they can get sued in lose everything in a mal-practice indicident. Yes, Docs can be terminated, they can lose their license to practice medicine and to top it all, they can lose the ability to be insured. And no, they don't have a union to protect their 8+ yrs of medical education.

 

[shroomwell]

I own a house...I bought it while I was a CFI, making only slightly less than I did my first year as a F/O. I have tons of friends who work for GM, Accenture, PeopleSoft, etc. and so on. They didn't start out making 60,000-100,000 a year, most started in the high 20's or low 30's depending on where they worked, and location. But now they make 60,000-100,000 a year or more in a few cases, but they work 5 days a week and sit in rush hour traffic every morning and every night. I don't ever sit in rush hour traffic...I have 14-17 days off each month...my friends have 8 days off a month. If you don't like it you should quit and go work at a desk in a cubical every day for the rest of your working life and listen to Sally repeat "corporate accounts payable, please hold" over and over and over and over...and don't forget the cover letter on your TPS report.

That is what we call being complacent. If you are happy with your pay and don't think you deserve better, then I don't know what to say to you. Talk to the Eagle guy who has been making 35K for six years.

 

[rattler]

To everyone that said.."if you don't like the pay quit". You are the same people that are directly responsible for our low wages. Thanks for the unity!

 

[ILStoMinimums]

If you want to fly - then go for it. I do it because thats what I really enjoy doing - however, you can make lots of money using your days off. Read some of Robert Kiyosaki's books about business. He has some very powerful books which can help you create your own business along side of your airline career. It's nice to be able to say I like to fly because I enjoy it, not because its a paycheck.

 

[Corona]

If you want to fly - then go for it. I do it because thats what I really enjoy doing - however, you can make lots of money using your days off. Read some of Robert Kiyosaki's books about business. He has some very powerful books which can help you create your own business along side of your airline career. It's nice to be able to say I like to fly because I enjoy it, not because its a paycheck.

I second this advice. Read RK's first book, Rich Dad, Poor Dad. Good eye-opener.

I always love the (many) posters here who give that Moldy Oldy: "If you aren't a pilot, you'll have to work in a cubicle..." Sure, if you're a lame-a$$.

I've worked in more jobs than I could count trying to make it in the aviation biz. I've never come close to working in a cubicle or even a McJob. I've worked in agriculture, manufacturing, field research and had quite a few good-paying jobs working in the great outdoors. Just open your mind a little.

Here's another helpful hint: Volunteer. Not only will it be a great job that you'll love, but you'll be amazed at the great contacts you make. Trust me.

C

 

[SloDoDriver]

I know how you can make 40k tax free in a warm sandy environment.....Join the military and fly....The overnights suck and the hotel could be better......

I think too many people have bought Kit Darby's Bullsh*t.

 

[satpak77]

I find it interesting that the majority of us dread the "prison" of a 9-5 job, driving in traffic to work and submitting TPS reports.

Rest soundly that the many of these people dread waking up and meeting an airplane for a 6 AM wheels up, driving a "bus" around "all day", and sleeping in hotel rooms their whole life. Remind the "office people" what a regional F/O makes (and throw in how that is a stepping stone to one of the most unstable career fields outside of the oil business, some companies with no retiree medical benefits and small to nonexistant pensions), and you will get ALOT of raised eyebrows.

to each his own, dont be so arrogant that "you are in a cubicle, sucks to be you". Maybe you make 20,000 a year, have a 4 AM charter to do, and your Hyundai got towed from airport parking. Oh yeah, you have a 4 yr degree, and spent unknown $$$ to qualify for your job.

No, maybe sucks to be you

 

[7KCAB]

If you don't like it, find another job especially if you are senior to me. Just remember there will ALWAYS be someone else ready to take your place in this industry.

 

[DetoXJ]

To everyone that said.."if you don't like the pay quit". You are the same people that are directly responsible for our low wages. Thanks for the unity!

Thats ridiculous. We all knew the pay going into this and nobody was given any promise of an upgrade. If you don't like the cards you were dealt then fold and move on. You honestly think your boo hoo stories and situations are going to get you any sympothy. I would love to see our senior FO's at Mesaba get their overdue upgrades, but when they continue to pass it up I just kind of scratch my head. I guess they are too fat dumb and happy being underpaid Avro FO's and they don't want to bother with being the best paid turboprop pilots in the industry??

 

[acaTerry]

Mesaba2425 I thought you'd do that...

 

[Lequip]

Poor little Regional FO's. Mabye if $11K per year CFI's would quit taking the jobs then the entry level wages might go up. Shame on all Regional FO's for taking such hor$e$hit paying jobs. Nothing but a bunch of sells outs. The best part is listening to them gripe after the novility wears off.

 

[flyfastinmy10]

I don't know anyone that is truely happy in their job. I know lots of people that make really good money, but the stress and time spent working takes it's toll.
Working for a regional and making little money is not why we are in this business. Things will get better, unfortunatly right now the future doesn't look too good.
Good Luck