Red Arrow Days ASA

[VWDrvr21]

Could someone please enlighten me on why the flying F*CK the entire month is littered with all these red pieces of SH*T!? (700 FO) I can't do anything!!! What is the point of having the option to swap with all this BS?????? :angryfire

:uzi: <-:smash: F that red arrow up!!!!!

 

[SLUF4]

yaaaaaaaaaaaayuuuuuuuu

 

[FishandFly]

Red arrow days are Brad's, Scott's, and Charlie's personal way of thanking each and every one of us for continuing to carry out there dysfunctional plan of attempting to see if a management team can get a pilot group to operate an understaffed airline indefinitely.

 

[HoserASA]

Supposedly more reserves this month but I'm "0" for "5" so far attempting to swap 4 days for three days. Yeah I have the vision!

Hoser
ROLL TIDE!

 

[Tarzan]

Two for three here going four day to three days.

 

[sayrejm]

This makes me proud to say I grew up in the Mobile area... Creighton? thats about as nice a place as Prichard...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nda_OSWeyn8

YEAHHHHHHHHHHYYYYAAAAAAAA

 

[sayrejm]

Crichton... stupid auto spell thinks it's smarter than I.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

So glad close to 1/4 of the 200 Captains were placed on reserve to alleviate the problem.

 

[777forever]

So glad close to 1/4 of the 200 Captains were placed on reserve to alleviate the problem.

Same here in IAD on the FO side. 45 lines, 15 reserves. Good times!

 

[OCP]

Sorry all... Only about 100 or so CA's on reserve this month in ATL. Past 4 days there are only about 15 people on the reserve list and all of them are "0" day.

 

[CFI2766]

What would an appropriate solution to the 'red arrow' day situation be?


I mean, really, I hear guys complaining about too many red arrow days, and then I hear guys complaining about too many reserve lines. Which is it? I've even heard the same guys complain about not being able to swap when they have a line, and then complaining the next month that they don't have a line so that more people can swap.

Does anyone have an actual, realistic, solution? It would be easy to say, swaps always approved, but how realistic is that? Someone has to work weekends and holidays....

Any real solutions or new ideas here?

 

[BWatz]

What would an appropriate solution to the 'red arrow' day situation be?


I mean, really, I hear guys complaining about too many red arrow days, and then I hear guys complaining about too many reserve lines. Which is it? I've even heard the same guys complain about not being able to swap when they have a line, and then complaining the next month that they don't have a line so that more people can swap.

Does anyone have an actual, realistic, solution? It would be easy to say, swaps always approved, but how realistic is that? Someone has to work weekends and holidays....

Any real solutions or new ideas here?

I think the practice of using reserves to cover open time is a major problem.. I was under the impression that this month was going to be easier on reserves. I think a big part of it comes down to staffing and using resources appropriately.

 

[LazyLightnin']

I think the practice of using reserves to cover open time is a major problem.. I was under the impression that this month was going to be easier on reserves. I think a big part of it comes down to staffing and using resources appropriately.

Exactly... Clinging onto tons of open time only to unload onto reseves is the biggest problem. It's a low-down, ghetto maneuver by middle management to save on spending. However, it's more of a headache to all the departments below them than it's worth. Clark Howard wouldn't even approve.

Build more lines and increase line values with the open time and use reserves for their intended purposes. How's that for starters?

 

[SLUF4]

I agree..the way they hold onto open time is the problem. Reserves should be available for sick calls and other problems that arise on short notice.

 

[gator_hater]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't red arrows just a visual reresentation of the old low coverage. Now you just know that your cances of a swap are slim before you put it in, not waiting until after. I've been here almost 6 years and reserves hae covered OT the whole time. This is nothing new.

 

[SLUF4]

Have they been "hiding" the OT from the pot so normal line pilots can't pick it up for all your 6 years? That's what they're doing now. I'm not sure if that was how it was before or not. Maybe it was.

 

[OCP]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't red arrows just a visual reresentation of the old low coverage. Now you just know that your cances of a swap are slim before you put it in, not waiting until after. I've been here almost 6 years and reserves hae covered OT the whole time. This is nothing new.

Reserves have covered open time, but now the company is with holding more block hours than usual from the lines they build. Then they dump it all back in after finals and force feed it to reserves. That is why there are ZERO people in the reserve list every day.

 

[BIGGOAT]

Why not build more lines? The 200 CA reserves are crediting 85-100 hrs. What is reserve like on the 700 for CA's and FO's?

Goat

 

[HoserASA]

Two for three here going four day to three days.

Yeah but you bring the schedulers pizza tarzan! Just kidding.

I'm now 0 for 6 for swaps. Some nice 3 days that the reserves are getting to fly.

Hoser
ROLL TIDE!!!

 

[LazyLightnin']

Yeah but you bring the schedulers pizza tarzan! Just kidding.

I'm now 0 for 6 for swaps. Some nice 3 days that the reserves are getting to fly.

Hoser
ROLL TIDE!!!

You don't think they actually remain three days do you?

 

[BWatz]

You don't think they actually remain three days do you?

Our brilliant schedulers will probably call in 4 people to cover a low credit 3 day...

 

[COOPERVANE]

You don't think they actually remain three days do you?

3+3=6 for me this week.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Same here. 3-day trips so far this month. I don't think 4-day trips exist on reserve.

 

[ohplease!]

You don't think they actually remain three days do you?

I don't care if they do or not...if you're going to get extended into 6 days, start with my 4 day and get a 2 day to go with it and let me have the 3 day and another day off. Seniority SHOULD have its privileges

 

[LazyLightnin']

I don't care if they do or not...if you're going to get extended into 6 days, start with my 4 day and get a 2 day to go with it and let me have the 3 day and another day off. Seniority SHOULD have its privileges

It's your world. We're all just living in it.

The privilege of your seniority is that you never have to worry about reserve again...

 

[COOPERVANE]

Reserve has always sucked.

It just sucks way worse these days

It is tough to hear the senior guys whine about not having 16 days off over the weekends and 3 day lines. "Who cares about reserves anyway? Scr** them".

It's getting old.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Reserve has always sucked.

It just sucks way worse these days

It is tough to hear the senior guys whine about not having 16 days off over the weekends and 3 day lines. "Who cares about reserves anyway? Scr** them".

It's getting old.

I guarantee you it sucked more 16 years ago under Erion. There were no rules for reserves either....

 

[OCP]

I guarantee you it sucked more 16 years ago under Erion. There were no rules for reserves either....

Yeah maybe the rules were worse, but it didn't last 3 years, with no end in sight. Oh and the "you should been here when" thing really doesn't matter. This is now and this is abuse of the reserves any way you slice it.

 

[Freebrd]

I guarantee you it sucked more 16 years ago under Erion. There were no rules for reserves either....

Erion blows! What a beetchhhhhhhhhh!

 

[COOPERVANE]

There are effectively no rules for reserves now. So Many loopholes and opportunities for manipulation.

The only rules we have are the FAR's and those are being bent everyday.

We are crediting over 100 hours now on reserve. If you think it is easy then I suggest you stand a post.