recall???

[OPECJet]

Doyle, methinks you have a bad case of penis envy.

 

[G4dude]

Hopefully, Luthi's replacement will do a good job, without the bombast and self aggrandizement. Netjets is a great place to work, by the way, to answer a previous post. Just not a perfect place, which does not exist, except in the imagination.

 

[OPECJet]

Hopefully, Luthi's replacement will do a good job, without the bombast and self aggrandizement. Netjets is a great place to work, by the way, to answer a previous post. Just not a perfect place, which does not exist, except in the imagination.

I don't know about that. Human Resources Director at the Bunny Ranch might be pretty close to perfect.

 

[Willy21]

It might be for a while. It is a sad day when one finds out that their hobby is now a job.

 

[727C47]

Hopefully, Luthi's replacement will do a good job, without the bombast and self aggrandizement. Netjets is a great place to work, by the way, to answer a previous post. Just not a perfect place, which does not exist, except in the imagination.

he is not gone yet amigo

 

[Helmsalee]

I don't know, Willy. My Daddy used to say "Find a job you love and you will never have to work". Sounds right to me.
Helm

 

[ghostrider64]

I don't know, Willy. My Daddy used to say "Find a job you love and you will never have to work". Sounds right to me.
Helm

That's exactly what Luthi has done.....he's never worked!

 

[OPECJet]

I wouldn't accuse him of that. I was a rep for a couple of years before I went to Nyetjets. You work 24/7. Anything from a pilot going off the deep end because his wife left him to a newbie who is afraid he's gonna get called on the carpet for delaying a negative turn. There are no off days and no rest periods when you're an elected rep. Hell, I got called by a pilot needing some jumpseat help when I was walking out of the sim right before I was furloughed from NJA. That was nearly 3 yrs after I left the ALPA life.

That being said, you still have to do your elected job as it's written in the bylaws, and represent those who elected you. You have to keep your emotions out of it. It's up to you active folks to decide whether he's doing the job or not. I know what my opinion is (most of the eboard for that matter with a couple of exceptions), but my furloughed self doesn't matter.....

(This post proof read by bourbon, take it for what it's worth).

 

[Hawker dude]

Well, this doesn't seem to be a problem at Flexjet. We are growing at Flexjet and no EMT issues to speak of at Flexjet.

You are full of it. Just flew on AA with one of your DFW pilots. He says you guys are just as screwed up as we are. and you only recalled 8 pilots? So how are you growing. Beer Belly growth?

 

[Club ORD FO]

Flex is not growing. But we are also not shrinking as much as the others

 

[ExecJetCA]

Jeff Burrows, Dan Lieff, Eric Eichmann and Zoltan Prokay please grow up and try not air personal agenda's and air dirty laundry publicly.

 

[gret]

I think you are now in trouble I bet.....

 

[Partyfoul]

Jeff Burrows, Dan Lieff, Eric Eichmann and Zoltan Prokay please grow up and try not air personal agenda's and air dirty laundry publicly.

Instead, keep it hidden away from the membership that puts them in that position. Dirty laundry never gets cleaned if it isn't aired out.

 

[fly4funcrj]

The fact that more and more union volunteers are coming forward should say something. How people act in public sometimes differs from how they act behind closed doors.

 

[BentOver]

The fact that more and more union volunteers are coming forward should say something. How people act in public sometimes differs from how they act behind closed doors.

As much as it stinks to have to go through this at a time when solidarity is much needed, and the fact that it makes it appear the EMT is getting thier way. There probably will never be a GOOD time to have this occur. So as the saying goes, "no time like the present."

I am confident that Luthi has issues with opposition to his views/methods. And from all indications he has not treated even some of his own co-workers/volunteers/peers with respect. That does not bode well for how he has gone into the EMT meetings over the last 2+ years.

I don't think the Eboard should give in to any and all demands from the EMT (especially scope) but I do think it is time for a fresh start. And that is something that will never happen in the current arrangement.

 

[fly4funcrj]

Just to make sure we're on the same page, I fully support the recall.. I can't imagine how Luthi has acted in meetings with the EMT. While I don't trust the EMT, I don't trust Luthi has had our best interests in mind either..

 

[BentOver]

Just to make sure we're on the same page, I fully support the recall.. I can't imagine how Luthi has acted in meetings with the EMT. While I don't trust the EMT, I don't trust Luthi has had our best interests in mind either..

Sorry, I didn't translate my response quite right. I agree with you 100%:beer:

I don't think things are nearly as bad as Luthi makes them out to be. And as a furloughee I want honesty, not rally the troops propoganda. Also want a leader acting professional in all circumstances.

 

[Helmsalee]

Agree with wanting a leader to act professional but disagree that Luthi does not have the interests of the pilots at heart. We may not agree with his methods but that is not the same as questioning his motives. One is style and personality, the other is corrupt and sleazy. I, personally, do not believe the latter.
Helm

 

[Dirty Dingus]

Recall Luthi

LUTHI NEEDS TO GO NOW!!!!!!!
We are Tired of this Bull Sh*+
:angryfire

 

[BentOver]

Agree with wanting a leader to act professional but disagree that Luthi does not have the interests of the pilots at heart. We may not agree with his methods but that is not the same as questioning his motives. One is style and personality, the other is corrupt and sleazy. I, personally, do not believe the latter.
Helm

For me there have been way too many stories from Eboard members, former volunteers, CAPA, and so on that have claimed how hard ML is to deal with. How upset, and almost childish, he gets when there is a differing opinion. Now we have "angry bird" t-shirts that were going to be worn into meetings etc.....

I understand being pissed at the EMT, but it still has to remain professional to garner respect. No matter what has gone on behind closed doors I'm not sure ML is getting any rspect because of his demeanor and actions. And in the end it is Buffett's show, he has elected who he wants running it. And those peoole are not members of NJASAP or name M.L....

Unfortunately it is what it is at the moment. I don't like the way the EMT has run things (lack of new aircraft, a seemingly failing business plan etc) But I highly doubt NJA is any less safe than it was before. I mean it is Flight Safety after all. Does F.S.I really make us that much safer? I was just as safe of a pilot before NJA.

NJASAP voice has been heard. The EMT knows we think they are fumbling the ball. But to put on "shows" of public ridicule goes beyond what we should be doing. It's not our (NJASAP) jobs to oust a management team. After all, if every other fractional is outperforming NJA, why aren't they hiring, and why has NJA not furloughed?

I think M.L. has used fear and over exaggerations to try to muster support/unity.. Unfortunately what everyone needs is hard facts, not reports from a guy ousted back in 2010. People are resigning and taking jobs in Asia all based on "how bad" it has gotten, when in reality nothing has seemingly changed with the operation yet....