recall???

[Xcorporate]

http://www.recall-luthi.org/

discuss

 

[BentOver]

I think this is one issue that will stay reserved for those who are most affected by it's outcome.....probably best left for the njasap msg board and fbo talk

 

[OPECJet]

I think this is one issue that will stay reserved for those who are most affected by it's outcome.....probably best left for the njasap msg board and fbo talk

Hard to do that since not ALL pilots affected have access......

 

[Xcorporate]

Exactly. The furloughed scum are not included in the conversation.

 

[Pervis]

Exactly. The furloughed scum are not included in the conversation.

You are welcome to sign the petition for a show of unity, and are invited to participate in discussions on the recall web site. Baseless reactions serve no purpose.

 

[OPECJet]

You are welcome to sign the petition for a show of unity, and are invited to participate in discussions on the recall web site. Baseless reactions serve no purpose.

It's not a baseless reaction.

 

[Pervis]

It's not a baseless reaction.

I am not refering to the exclusion of furloughed pilots from the union web site. I still disagree with that decision. All active and innactive pilots are welcome to visit the recall web site, discuss to your heart's content, and sign or don't sign the petition. Even the "furloughed scum" (not my words).

 

[BentOver]

I agree we definitely should have access to more of the discussion on the NJASAP board... The petition board is public to the world. (those that care about NJA anyways).

I'll say that it has become a Luthi vs. management atmosphere over the last 2 years. It's almost as if management could care less about the Union, only getting rid of Luthi (not working with him in any way, shape, or form).....

 

[CA1900]

Really guys, blaming Luthi for the recent actions of our management is pretty disingenuous.

 

[OPECJet]

I am not refering to the exclusion of furloughed pilots from the union web site. I still disagree with that decision. All active and innactive pilots are welcome to visit the recall web site, discuss to your heart's content, and sign or don't sign the petition. Even the "furloughed scum" (not my words).

Misunderstood. Thank you for the clarification, and apologies for the shot.

 

[RideandDrive]

I never thought I would say it, but I am so glad to be no longer working for that mess of a company which is Netjets.

 

[OPECJet]

I agree we definitely should have access to more of the discussion on the NJASAP board... The petition board is public to the world. (those that care about NJA anyways).

I'll say that it has become a Luthi vs. management atmosphere over the last 2 years. It's almost as if management could care less about the Union, only getting rid of Luthi (not working with him in any way, shape, or form).....

Maybe so, but do you really think the Caddy is going to talk to NJASAP no matter who the president is?

 

[BentOver]

Maybe so, but do you really think the Caddy is going to talk to NJASAP no matter who the president is?

I don't think it can be any worse..... According to Luthi everyone will be out of a job. However, some things don't support it. (Like lack of any change in staffing in over 2 years of the shrinkage.)

I'm not saying Luthi is the main problem. But it has obviously been him vs. management.. Rather than all of us vs. management.

It sounds like it is more about Luthi taking his own initiatives rather than using the democratic process. Same with the 401(k). I didn't file a grievance because I was told to do so. Or because I felt C.S. was that much worse than Fidelity. I filed a grievance because it wasn't done correctly. Same with Luthi, it sounds like he has gone against the democratic process that was meant to be the way the Union was run. And that's not right.

 

[BentOver]

Really guys, blaming Luthi for the recent actions of our management is pretty disingenuous.

Unfortunately, all the facts have to be presented in an unbias view. I have no doubt the company is being dishonest. But from what I've heard, Luthi is not the easiest to disagree with either. And some of his ideas could be considered somewhat childish rather than completely professional.

He has been in office nearly 4 years. It has been 4 years of hell. (not induced by Luthi, but he has been at the helm). May be time for a change. Especially if what I hear is somewhat true.

Like I said, the lack of communication can't get any worse.

 

[Xcorporate]

The lack of communication is key. I have no idea who to support because we aren't part of the conversation. That goes for the company as well as the union. 2 of the 4 guys against Mark I know to be stand up for sure. I know guys that will support Mark to the end and they are stand up too. We (furloughed scum) are left with no real way of knowing what's going on. This is far from baseless. Read Only access to the forum would really go a long way......

I support SU but that face is blury and I have know idea who is on what side. Not a good time to be divided from any stance.

 

[x402]

Really guys, blaming Luthi for the recent actions of our management is pretty disingenuous.

Even without a successful recall, this Fantastic Four will have given the EMT a victory that even JH couldn't have hoped for. It's drinks all around at the executive offices, I think the goose is popping the corks right now.

 

[Pervis]

Even without a successful recall, this Fantastic Four will have given the EMT a victory that even JH couldn't have hoped for. It's drinks all around at the executive offices, I think the goose is popping the corks right now.

I disagree. It shows the EMT we hold our leadership to the same high standards we expect of our management. Our resolve to avoid degredation of our CBA has not diminished one bit, and the union-read pilots-will go on.

 

[Pervis]

Misunderstood. Thank you for the clarification, and apologies for the shot.

No worries.

 

[x402]

I disagree. It shows the EMT we hold our leadership to the same high standards we expect of our management. Our resolve to avoid degredation of our CBA has not diminished one bit, and the union-read pilots-will go on.

This EMT has no regard for the pilot group, they have picked away at the CBA and failed the employees (bargining and non-bargining) and BH. Their days are numbered, even with this boost from the Fantastic Four.

 

[doylehargraves]

Well, this doesn't seem to be a problem at Flexjet. We are growing at Flexjet and no EMT issues to speak of at Flexjet.

 

[OPECJet]

Doyle, methinks you have a bad case of penis envy.

 

[G4dude]

Hopefully, Luthi's replacement will do a good job, without the bombast and self aggrandizement. Netjets is a great place to work, by the way, to answer a previous post. Just not a perfect place, which does not exist, except in the imagination.

 

[OPECJet]

Hopefully, Luthi's replacement will do a good job, without the bombast and self aggrandizement. Netjets is a great place to work, by the way, to answer a previous post. Just not a perfect place, which does not exist, except in the imagination.

I don't know about that. Human Resources Director at the Bunny Ranch might be pretty close to perfect.

 

[Willy21]

It might be for a while. It is a sad day when one finds out that their hobby is now a job.

 

[727C47]

Hopefully, Luthi's replacement will do a good job, without the bombast and self aggrandizement. Netjets is a great place to work, by the way, to answer a previous post. Just not a perfect place, which does not exist, except in the imagination.

he is not gone yet amigo

 

[Helmsalee]

I don't know, Willy. My Daddy used to say "Find a job you love and you will never have to work". Sounds right to me.
Helm

 

[ghostrider64]

I don't know, Willy. My Daddy used to say "Find a job you love and you will never have to work". Sounds right to me.
Helm

That's exactly what Luthi has done.....he's never worked!

 

[OPECJet]

I wouldn't accuse him of that. I was a rep for a couple of years before I went to Nyetjets. You work 24/7. Anything from a pilot going off the deep end because his wife left him to a newbie who is afraid he's gonna get called on the carpet for delaying a negative turn. There are no off days and no rest periods when you're an elected rep. Hell, I got called by a pilot needing some jumpseat help when I was walking out of the sim right before I was furloughed from NJA. That was nearly 3 yrs after I left the ALPA life.

That being said, you still have to do your elected job as it's written in the bylaws, and represent those who elected you. You have to keep your emotions out of it. It's up to you active folks to decide whether he's doing the job or not. I know what my opinion is (most of the eboard for that matter with a couple of exceptions), but my furloughed self doesn't matter.....

(This post proof read by bourbon, take it for what it's worth).

 

[Hawker dude]

Well, this doesn't seem to be a problem at Flexjet. We are growing at Flexjet and no EMT issues to speak of at Flexjet.

You are full of it. Just flew on AA with one of your DFW pilots. He says you guys are just as screwed up as we are. and you only recalled 8 pilots? So how are you growing. Beer Belly growth?

 

[Club ORD FO]

Flex is not growing. But we are also not shrinking as much as the others