Really Need Ya'lls Advice!!!!

[CAVOK69]

So here is my situation,

I am very lucky to have a type rated FO job in a lear 60. I fly left seat on the empty legs and fly every other leg in the right seat when we have pax. I am being paid well, 40,000 for my first year and they paid for the type rating. All seems great huh?

Problems...
1.I do not fly very much, around 20-30 hours a month ( i know this is normal for corporate aircraft).My Ultimate goal is FedEx. They only accept Part 1 PIC, but the guy I fly with has assured me that when I fly I am flying as PIC, and I put my name on the flight plan. Since this is Part91 I know that this will work, but it is a very slow process to getting the 1000 hours.
2. the guy I fly with is driving me crazy. He has some personal problems that cause him to be a huge jerk to me when we aren't flying. (We fly together all of the time, only two of us) He is an immature, alchoholic, emotionally unstable, and unproffesional D**** Bag. Lately he brings his personality into the cockpit and makes me wish I had never taken this job.

Options?
I have around 2600 hours with around 1500 jet. Two type ratings and good experience. This job allows me to live in a great area that I love and I have a descent schedule. I would prefer to have a captain job on a jet, but with my low time that may be a problem. Right now I would take a king air job to get the PIC. I have had a company flying an MU2 call me for a position with them, but I would have to move far from home and get paid 38,000 initially. (night freight) Any advice is much appreciated.

 

[psysicx]

It might help if you tell us which part of the country you live.

 

[CorpLearDriver]

So here is my situation,

I am very lucky to have a type rated FO job in a lear 60. I fly left seat on the empty legs and fly every other leg in the right seat when we have pax. I am being paid well, 40,000 for my first year and they paid for the type rating. All seems great huh?

Problems...
1.I do not fly very much, around 20-30 hours a month ( i know this is normal for corporate aircraft).My Ultimate goal is FedEx. They only accept Part 1 PIC, but the guy I fly with has assured me that when I fly I am flying as PIC, and I put my name on the flight plan. Since this is Part91 I know that this will work, but it is a very slow process to getting the 1000 hours.
2. the guy I fly with is driving me crazy. He has some personal problems that cause him to be a huge jerk to me when we aren't flying. (We fly together all of the time, only two of us) He is an immature, alchoholic, emotionally unstable, and unproffesional D**** Bag. Lately he brings his personality into the cockpit and makes me wish I had never taken this job.

Options?
I have around 2600 hours with around 1500 jet. Two type ratings and good experience. This job allows me to live in a great area that I love and I have a descent schedule. I would prefer to have a captain job on a jet, but with my low time that may be a problem. Right now I would take a king air job to get the PIC. I have had a company flying an MU2 call me for a position with them, but I would have to move far from home and get paid 38,000 initially. (night freight) Any advice is much appreciated.

How long have you been with this company and how long ago did they type you? You might as well learn to deal with the individual now as you will run into these types your whole career and won't have a choice (in most cases) who you will fly with.

The fact that you may not be building time rapidly may be wearing on you but it is all part of the process. Quicker time building does not always mean better time building. Night Freight teaches you a lot of things too. I did it for a long time. And if you want to go to FedEx, you should have some of this kind of experience behind you.

Your commitment to carry through with a reasonable time given to the company that paid for your type is an important factor that should not be overlooked. However, if the situation in the cockpit is becoming unsafe because of your captain's attitude towards you, it may be best to discuss it with him and spell it out. Be professional about it, be direct and be calm. If it looks like it will make things worse, tell him you will probably be leaving and will be explaining why in your resignation letter.

One other place you can seek advice may be with his boss. But do not do this behind the captain's back or you can find yourself labeled something you can live without. Depending on the captain's relationship is with his boss, this can be either good or bad advise, you'll have to make that choice. But don't burn bridges you don't have to.

Hope it all works out for you.

 

[CorpLearDriver]

It might help if you tell us which part of the country you live.

{Scratching my head} (?)

 

[psysicx]

He said that he didn't want go far from his current home. If he posts where that is someone could give him a lead.

 

[CAVOK69]

I would be willing to re-locate to anywhere in the SouthEast.

And yall are right, I do not want to burn a bridge and I do feel obligated to my employer for 3 more months, then the year expires. I have no contract, but that doesn't change my feelings of obligation toward the company. On another note, my bosses opinion of the capt. isn't the greatest, I know that they don't care for the guy at all and with good reason. I am trying to be respectful with him, but any attempt to speak with him directly has been ignored and if I am any more direct it will simply make the work environment more hostile.

this isnt the first job I have had flying with guys that aren't great. I know it is part of it, but when you fly with a guy 100 percent of the time and room with him on the road, it is a different story. I have tried to get seperate rooms and I cannot get them. I am not a very confrontational person, but enough is enough. ANY LEADS?

 

[BluDevAv8r]

I know it is part of it, but when you fly with a guy 100 percent of the time and room with him on the road, it is a different story. I have tried to get seperate rooms and I cannot get them.

You SHARE rooms? Are you serious?

-Neal

 

[semperfido]

the sharing of rooms is a very sub par deal. extremely weak. you really shouldn't have to put up with that. the guy you fly with will probably "flame out". touble is -you probably won't want to wait that long. i would look for a new job.

 

[FL350]

$40k for a lear 60 and having to share a hotel room? Give them their year for training and get out of there.

 

[PlaneStupid]

40000 for a lear 60 first officer is below industry standard. Sharing a room with the other pilot is also not industry standard. Why not look for another job first and then be up front and honest in your exit interview with the higher ups. I would rather earn less money and enjoy who I am working with than work for a jerk.

 

[CAVOK69]

yes i know it is below standard. My problem is what type of job am i qualified for in my area? I haven't found anything... Jet PIC with Pax part 135 is out b/c I am not 23...

I will give them the year, but as soon as I get it I will leave. I am think that at the beginning of next year they will give us our own rooms, but it may be too little too late. I know I will get a raise ( hopefully) but it will probably be only 5000. If I could fly a turbo-prop PIC and fly at least 500 hours in the southeast I would leave in a heart beat. I would also be interested in a citation PIC job, i have a type in the 500, any leads are appreciated.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

$40k for a lear 60 and having to share a hotel room? Give them their year for training and get out of there.

SHARING a hotel room?

are you freakin' serious?

forget the the year, forget everything....

that is absurd. I wouldn't fly airplanes before I shared a hotel room.

Want to make a few bucks and teach this scuzbag operation a lesson? File a 3+ mil lawsuit claiming the alcoholic douche you fly with sexually asssaulted you while you were at work (forced to share hotel rooms) Its a slam dunk, a sure winner even for the most incompetent ambulance chaser.

that will teach them to save a few bucks!!!

 

[CAVOK69]

it has been a long long year.

 

[semperfido]

you are young- keep your powder dry and it will all work out. it usually does. you are making good money for your age group. you are far ahead of your peers i am sure.

 

[CAVOK69]

That is true. But young or not, I want to do what is right for my career as does everyone here! I just need some advice... is it worth leaving here to fly an MU-2 night freight for a year and a half to meet airline mins or should I not sacrifice my QOL for the flight time and jet time. I know this is my decision but some input is appreciated.

It is easy for this guy to be a DB b/c of my age. He seems envious of my age, but at the same time I know he likes me a lot. He just is way to comfortable with me and not respectful enough.

 

[HMR]

He seems envious of my age, but at the same time I know he likes me a lot. He just is way to comfortable with me and not respectful enough.

Uhhh... The above quote + you guys sharing a room?

Am I the only one getting the creeps?

 

[semperfido]

i wouldn't leave your job to fly an MU2. It is a very unforgiving airplane probably operated by a lowball outfit. That combo would be enough to turn me off. Stay put until you find something better.

 

[h25b]

I would look for another position. Run away without guilt or fear of reprisal.

Otherwise... Request only a king-size bed, start sleeping in the buff and maybe your Captain will quit.

 

[CAVOK69]

Uhhh... The above quote + you guys sharing a room?

Am I the only one getting the creeps?

Hahaha funny!


MU2 unforgiving?? mechanically or it is very difficult to fly? I dont mind a challenge, but if it is mechanical then that is another story.

 

[semperfido]

Let me put it this way- if they were willing to send you to FSI for an Initial and every six months for reccurent and then operated it with two ATP pilots and had it in mint condition then I would say go ahead. They probably won't meet this criteria. It is risk management. It isn't worth the risk otherwise.

do a search on MU2 as it has been discussed ad infinitum.

 

[CAVOK69]

Thanks everyone for your comments.

Anyone elses advice is still much appreciated.

 

[kingairyahoo]

Anyone elses advice is still much appreciated.

when being chased by a pack of rabid wolves, its ok to throw them chocolate chip cookies, but dont stop to bake a cake...

 

[CAVOK69]

say what?

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Thanks everyone for your comments.

Anyone elses advice is still much appreciated.

Stay out of MU2's.
can they be operated safely? sure...
do on demand freight operators fly them this way?
do a search and you decide...

Most if the MU2 posts are mourning posts from friends and family of the guy getting his "experience" of flying night freight.

Still may be better than that bed-sharing $hit you do now...

.

 

[Ace-of-the-Base]

it has been a long long year.

Don't listen to these dorks like G200. It's your life. You need to do what you need to do to meet your goals. I personally think that you're doing GREAT for your age. We've all put in our dues if we wanted to excell quickly at a young age. Some had to go to the mid-east, some had to move across the country, some had to fly bad airplanes for shady operators. Whatever it was, we (most of us) all had to go thru some tough times to leap ahead of the pack. It sounds like you're doing it. Sleeping in a hotel room with a jerk captain? Some on this board make it sound like that's the lowest you could sink. I'd rather do that then fly checks in a broken barron at night (and ice, etc, etc).

Make your own decisions and only take what you hear from others on this board with a grain of salt. It's a long road and as long as you have separate beds, I wouldn't loose too much sleep over it

Ace

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Don't listen to these dorks like G200. It's your life. You need to do what you need to do to meet your goals. I personally think that you're doing GREAT for your age. We've all put in our dues if we wanted to excell quickly at a young age. Some had to go to the mid-east, some had to move across the country, some had to fly bad airplanes for shady operators. Whatever it was, we (most of us) all had to go thru some tough times to leap ahead of the pack. It sounds like you're doing it. Sleeping in a hotel room with a jerk captain? Some on this board make it sound like that's the lowest you could sink. I'd rather do that then fly checks in a broken barron at night (and ice, etc, etc).

Make your own decisions and only take what you hear from others on this board with a grain of salt. It's a long road and as long as you have separate beds, I wouldn't loose too much sleep over it

Ace

sounds like Ace has done the shared hotel room thing too?

thats just a pathetic line crossed folks. Have some pride...good for your age? bull$hit....youre a Lear F/O working for an obviously sleazebag owner. You can do that a 1000 places and maybe even get your own digs at the Best Western...

Dont come here looking for "You're doing good kid, tough it out" Lots of us would NEVER have done that, not for one trip. $hit, I would pay for my own room myself first. I have worked for some pretty ratty 135 operators flying much worse than a Lear 60 and have NEVER EVER heard of sharing rooms.

I dont care if you're 18 or 78, sharing ahotel room on the road is personally vile and downright risky from a legal standpoint for ANY company. Dont believe me? call a few scumbag lawyers... they will be fighting over you.

Then again, I certainly dont put anything past pilots, anything to fly..including sharing a bedroom with an old alcoholic pervert.

Guess it really does not surprise me. What do I know? You may just make the cover of next months pro pilot and be a company all star for saving money...

Its your creepy life. Dont drop the soap!

 

[h25b]

Its your life. Dont drop the soap!

That's good advice...

 

[CAVOK69]

sounds like Ace has done the shared hotel room thing too?

thats just a pathetic line crossed folks. Have some pride...good for your age? bull$hit....youre a Lear F/O working for an obviously sleazebag owner. You can do that a 1000 places and maybe even get your own digs at the Best Western...

Dont come here looking for "You're doing good kid, tough it out" Lots of us would NEVER have done that, not for one trip. $hit, I would pay for my own room myself first. I have worked for some pretty ratty 135 operators flying much worse than a Lear 60 and have NEVER EVER heard of sharing rooms.

I dont care if you're 18 or 78, sharing ahotel room on the road is personally vile and downright risky from a legal standpoint for ANY company. Dont believe me? call a few scumbag lawyers... they will be fighting over you.

Then again, I certainly dont put anything past pilots, anything to fly..including sharing a bedroom with an old alcoholic pervert.

Guess it really does not surprise me. What do I know? You may just make the cover of next months pro pilot and be a company all star for saving money...

Its your creepy life. Dont drop the soap!

woah... lol I know it is BS, supposedly this is going to change next year... And I know it sucks. I have flown for a 135 outfit flying old crappy jets and they put me up in the nicest hotels ever with our own rooms. I was not looking for guys to say great job for your age, it doesnt matter how old I am... the point is they paid for my type so I feel obligated to finish my year which is almost up. If i can finish the year without punching the lights out of my captain I will be happy, but I am not sure what will come first...the new job or his lights being punched out!

I think I need to look hard for a jet pic or turboprop pic job and jump on it.

 

[Lead Sled]

That is true. But young or not, I want to do what is right for my career as does everyone here! I just need some advice... is it worth leaving here to fly an MU-2 night freight for a year and a half to meet airline mins or should I not sacrifice my QOL for the flight time and jet time. I know this is my decision but some input is appreciated.

It is easy for this guy to be a DB b/c of my age. He seems envious of my age, but at the same time I know he likes me a lot. He just is way to comfortable with me and not respectful enough.

The problem with most 135 MU-2 jobs is that typically, the transition and recurrent training is usually minimal - a few training flights and then a check ride and you're on your own. Definately not a smart idea in an airplane like an MU-2. That's how guys get killed. I wouldn't accept a job flying an MU-2 unless you make sure you're going to get proper training, both initially and each 6 months. My bet is that they're not going to do that.

'Sled

 

[Ace-of-the-Base]

woah... lol I know it is BS, supposedly this is going to change next year... And I know it sucks. I have flown for a 135 outfit flying old crappy jets and they put me up in the nicest hotels ever with our own rooms. I was not looking for guys to say great job for your age, it doesnt matter how old I am... the point is they paid for my type so I feel obligated to finish my year which is almost up. If i can finish the year without punching the lights out of my captain I will be happy, but I am not sure what will come first...the new job or his lights being punched out!

I think I need to look hard for a jet pic or turboprop pic job and jump on it.

Don't listen to 'sled, I have never shared a room in my career, but I can't say that it creeps me out as much as him. I'm quite comfortable with my heteros#xuality and I don't get all creeped out when I have a pelvic exam either. If any of these guys served in the armed forces, they would know what its like to share personal space with other men. It really won't make you a homo.

And to the other points, you're right, sometimes the worst, most dangerous 135 ops have the best pay and give you the best bennies on the road. I'd vote for safety over my own room at the fancy hotel. The people who think they can sum up your operation by one (kinda odd) choice your boss has made is presumtious and ignorant. I have no idea what the place is like.

Like I said before, grain of salt.

Ace