REALLY BAD news for DCI XJ&9E

[i fly boxes]

A lot of these cities especially on the michigan side are great cities that i hate to see service taken away from. Northwest would never have done this. If the load factor is not there i understand but it still sucks.
On the bankruptcy question - our new ceo guided frontier out of bankruptcy so even if we go in, he will get us out.......... but i seriously doubt we will go into bankruptcy. We have a contract for those 141 crj 200s that delta has to find flying for or pay us for it anways if i am not mistaken

 

[gojo]

A lot of these cities especially on the michigan side are great cities that i hate to see service taken away from. Northwest would never have done this. If the load factor is not there i understand but it still sucks.
On the bankruptcy question - our new ceo guided frontier out of bankruptcy so even if we go in, he will get us out.......... but i seriously doubt we will go into bankruptcy. We have a contract for those 141 crj 200s that delta has to find flying for or pay us for it anways if i am not mistaken[/QUOTE

Of course the load factors are lower in these cities. They were saab cities. What would they expect to happen when they put a less efficient and larger plane on a route that didn't always fill a saab. Go figure Delta ....

 

[WMUSIGPI]

The one that went to ASA was not part of the PNCL -200 service agreement. It was a spare allocated to us from Delta. There are three more spares in service between PCL and MSA that also can be removed without infringing on the service agreement.

And 3 of the 4 have been pulled for bad performance. Oh and 2 of PCL's also were moved to Mesaba in hopes of not losing more. (yes PCL is down 5 airframes at the moment, well 4 because 1 of the XJ900s was moved to them)

 

[WMUSIGPI]

A lot of these cities especially on the michigan side are great cities that i hate to see service taken away from. Northwest would never have done this. If the load factor is not there i understand but it still sucks.
On the bankruptcy question - our new ceo guided frontier out of bankruptcy so even if we go in, he will get us out.......... but i seriously doubt we will go into bankruptcy. We have a contract for those 141 crj 200s that delta has to find flying for or pay us for it anways if i am not mistaken[/QUOTE

Of course the load factors are lower in these cities. They were saab cities. What would they expect to happen when they put a less efficient and larger plane on a route that didn't always fill a saab. Go figure Delta ....

Exactly what they wanted, and excuse to end flying there while continuing to park turboprops so they can continue to say " fly delta jets"

 

[cybourg10]

Do you know what you are even talking about? It may not be "good", but it certainly is at least average if not better.

So you insult my intelligence and then immediately state that my comment was accurate? Brilliant.

Pinnacle Contract 2011: It may not be "good", but it certainly is at least average if not better.

 

[bri5150]

So you insult my intelligence and then immediately state that my comment was accurate? Brilliant.

Pinnacle Contract 2011: It may not be "good", but it certainly is at least average if not better.

Where did I insult your intelligence? I said you didn't know what you were talking about. Plenty of intelligent people don't have information on certain subjects. Also, the spirit of your post was not that we had an average contract. The spirit of your post is that our contract is god aweful. Yes, I will take a slightly above average contract (not the most expensive one) so that the company I work for can compete and stay out of bankruptcy.

 

[Flyprdu]

Jesus, I had no idea you Mesaba pilots were such drama queens.

 

[bri5150]

Jesus, I had no idea you Mesaba pilots were such drama queens.

:bawling:

 

[i fly boxes]

you guys do start a lot of bad news rumors, i guess its because you are used to it and thats cool, but pinnacle has not furloughed anyone since 9/11 and with attrition coming at the majors i doubt we will

 

[BOX OFFICE]

This "rumor/threat" of bankruptcy reminds me a lot of Comair's first push for concessions in 2002 shortly after signing their "windfall" contract. Gotta love management in the regionals. Wash, rinse, repeat.

I really hope you all don't fall for it.

 

[Flyer1015]

I really hope you all don't fall for it.

Actually, now that Pinnacle has merged with Mesaba, the amount of lifers at the new Pinnacle has increased tremendously. Lifers, as is usually the case, will do anything and everything to keep their golden egg goose alive. As was seen recently with the recent Frontier concessions, a pilot will do what it takes to keep the place alive when they know it is their only employment option, and starting over is not. The more lifers you have, the more likely the above scenario could be true.

 

[WMUSIGPI]

Actually, now that Pinnacle has merged with Mesaba, the amount of lifers at the new Pinnacle has increased tremendously. Lifers, as is usually the case, will do anything and everything to keep their golden egg goose alive. As was seen recently with the recent Frontier concessions, a pilot will do what it takes to keep the place alive when they know it is their only employment option, and starting over is not. The more lifers you have, the more likely the above scenario could be true.

Less than 400 out of 3000 I'd say are lifers. Comair had half the company in the likely to sure thing lifer category.

 

[Flyer1015]

Less than 400 out of 3000 I'd say are lifers. Comair had half the company in the likely to sure thing lifer category.

No way. It's more than 400 out of 3000 that are lifers.

 

[bri5150]

No way. It's more than 400 out of 3000 that are lifers.

I was 450ish on the Mesaba list and I am nowhere near the lifer line. Most around me are young enough and motivated enough to get the hell out.

 

[WMUSIGPI]

No way. It's more than 400 out of 3000 that are lifers.

About 200 at Mesaba, about 150 at Pinnacle, and 50 at Colgan (and I bet that is high). = 400. Now did a bunch of Pinnacle guys change their minds because of the new contract, who knows. But I know a few of the former lifers at Mesaba are no longer thanks to the merger, just as the bankruptcy chased some way before.