Real Men of Genius....The ASA MEC

[XPOO]

Wrong again... I don't speak for you nor do you I...

I was involved in the jumpseat threats with when the OO pilots and other regionals used the jumpseat for political purposes... I suggested that if OO wanted total control of their jumpseat then they could use their own software.

Really, Rez, you never said this:

In addition, what obligation or binding agreement does UAL or U-ALPA have to allow OO pilots priority on OO aircraft.

Of course it makes common sense that OO pilots have j/s priority on their own airplane, but since Skywest has tied its dingy to the UAL monolith, it does come with certain conditions. ie Skywest serves UAL. OO flies where UAL says, when, what to put into its cargo bins, etc...

 

[Freeze]

Just looking at the writing style--Boxoffice=Ifly4Food

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Really, Rez, you never said this:

and what is the point you are trying to make?

My point is that by being a vendor to UAL and not having your own reservation system (apollo) that its quite possible and it is what happened... the jumpseat debacle... that is what happens when a regional feeds a major... problems and issues can come up...

I never said OOpilots should not have priority on their own metal.... I was simply stating that being a feeder can result in problems. The point is the OO pilots did not want to understand this and work the issue with UAL management. Instead they wanted to use threats/ultimatums with the UAL pilots.

so whats your point?

 

[XPOO]

My point is, according to you, some mainline union should be determining the boarding priority of another airline's jumpseat.

In addition, what obligation or binding agreement does UAL or U-ALPA have to allow OO pilots priority on OO aircraft

 

[CFIT]

and what is the point you are trying to make?

My point is that by being a vendor to UAL and not having your own reservation system (apollo) that its quite possible and it is what happened... the jumpseat debacle... that is what happens when a regional feeds a major... problems and issues can come up...

I never said OOpilots should not have priority on their own metal.... I was simply stating that being a feeder can result in problems. The point is the OO pilots did not want to understand this and work the issue with UAL management. Instead they wanted to use threats/ultimatums with the UAL pilots.

so whats your point?

First of all is was never UAL management, it was the UAL MEC that wanted priority over everybody on UAX flights. I was a rep when this was first requested and it was unconditionally denied.

Guess what? Somehow the code was changed and it just mysteriouslly happened to be that situation where UAL pilots got priority.

Our JSC asked over 2 years ago to change it back, at first the UAL MEC denied it was really happening. THEN they admitted it and said it was just test software. Then they said it would be too costly to remove. They dragged their feet because it was a benefit to them.

Well push came to shove, and most of the UAX carriers collaborated, without the mighty ALPA, and got the issue fixed in the matter of about 2 weeks.


But Rez, if we didn't go through ALPA, does that mean we're un-American, or not democratic, or just terrorists?

Remember as a voluteer cheerleader your answer must in the form of a question.....

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

My point is, according to you, some mainline union should be determining the boarding priority of another airline's jumpseat.

you are really getting desperate....

In addition, what obligation or binding agreement does UAL or U-ALPA have to allow OO pilots priority on OO aircraft

If the OOpilots want to make their case then they need to reference an agreement or document that says UAL mangmt or UAL-Alpa had agreed to put into the apollo code a priority system. If they can't, then they are really at the mercy of the monolith that is UAL. Quite often that is the case with regionals that feed legacies.

The suggestion was actually an effort to help the OOpilots document their case, to solve the issue. I am guessing that there is no agreement or documentation thus the OOpilots used the ultimatum/threat letter....


That is what an agreement is all about. That is why Jerry has a contract as do most pilots. Once again you make the argument yourself for self representation, agreements and/or contracts. I can assure they are better than ultimatums and threats...


So do you have plans to be a pilot? Do you want to be an OOpilot one day?

 

[COOPERVANE]

I wonder if fish get tired of seafood?

 

[XPOO]

Rez,

*Yawn* So you changed your mind again? Everyone knows you will just contradict yourself again in about three posts anyways.

After having to go through 9-11 and now the current downturn due to high oil prices, why would I ever want to work the frontline again? I have NO plans to EVER be a pilot. I like my In-N-Out, cushy chair and cubicle too much now.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Rez,

*Yawn* So you changed your mind again? Everyone knows you will just contradict yourself again in about three posts anyways.

You'll have to show your reasoning... simply saying I contradict myself doesn't mean it is so.....

After having to go through 9-11 and now the current downturn due to high oil prices, why would I ever want to work the frontline again? I have NO plans to EVER be a pilot. I like my In-N-Out, cushy chair and cubicle too much now.

I went to InOut a few weeks ago... the burger was good but the fires were awlful... maybe a bad batch? You know about the secret "menu"?

 

[XPOO]

If you dont eat the fries before the burger they arent that great. Why you ask? Unlike McDonald's and Burger King they aren't prepackaged with all those lovely preservatives and additives. They peel and cut the potato on site and throw them straight into the fryer. And the secret menu cist being secret about 5 years ago.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

If you dont eat the fries before the burger they arent that great. Why you ask? Unlike McDonald's and Burger King they aren't prepackaged with all those lovely preservatives and additives. They peel and cut the potato on site and throw them straight into the fryer. And the secret menu cist being secret about 5 years ago.

Hey, I am new to the InO experience... be gentle!

 

[XPOO]

The only thing secret about the secret menu really was the "animal style." Everything else on the secret menu is all common practice just given special little codewords.

 

[CFI2766]

The only thing secret about the secret menu really was the "animal style." Everything else on the secret menu is all common practice just given special little codewords.

The only secret is that In-N-Outtie can't compare with Whataburger.

http://www.whataburger.com/

No finer burger in existence. Fries? Pleeeaze. For an extra treat, get the onion rings with the chocolate shake and a side of jalapenos.

Good eats.

 

[PCL_128]

The best burger is out here on the East Coast at Five Guys Burgers and Fries. Nothing compares!

 

[Goose Egg]

Oh Rez, do you know so little of rhetorical argument to not be able to spot a hypothetical when you see one?

I've wasted far too much time and energy on this argument already. Someone like you who is so set in their particular point of view could never be convinced of anything, so I'm cutting my losses of time right here. Sorry man, it's nothing personal... It's just that I have a life to live beyond flightinfo.

See ya.

-Goose