Real Men of Genius....The ASA MEC

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Fins, I always learn something from your posts.

Thanks, there isn't a day that goes by that I don't learn something from someone else too.

 

[rightseatjocky]

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I Have To Say....
Mesa Sucks!!!!!
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[Rez O. Lewshun]

You said the kids don't care....they just want mom and dad to have a job so they can eat....ALPA can't deliver that promise......ALPA pilots are currently replacing other ALPA pilots....What other union allows union members to replace other union "brothers".....

Why do you expect ALPA to be a total efficient machine of free market barriers and protectionism in a hyperconsumption race to the bottom economy that has gone global?

 

[CFIT]

On this, we agree. This is just another in a long line of Prater blunders. But, Rez and I warned everyone two years ago that Prater wasn't qualified for the job, and everyone still demanded Duane's head on a stick. I submit that had Duane been reelected: 1) Age 60 would still be the law of the land, 2) The AAA pilots would still be ALPA members, and 3) There wouldn't be any back-door dues increase. Everyone wanted "anybody but Duane," and you got him. He's incompetent and inexperienced, and he's raising your dues and bankrupting your union, but you got him.

Is he also going to get a a pension of a $120,000 a year like the last club president?

Looks like they're going to have to go after more than just your 401K's

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Is he also going to get a a pension of a $120,000 a year like the last club president?

Looks like they're going to have to go after more than just your 401K's

Hey its one of the Burka Boyz....


I didn't get your reply on OO pilots using CREW PASS? Should they use this ALPA won measure? Or shun it like they did ALPA....

Would it be hypocritical?

Will you use it?

 

[Caspian27]

Fins, I always learn something from your posts.

CFI,

You refer to the "relatively junior" SkyWest pilots in your post. I'm just curious what the "relative seniority" is...I regularly fly with 8+ years seniority captains. You should look at the OO Captain lists in SLC, PSP, DEN....I flew with a guy halfway down the DEN list the other day and he's been here over 5 years.

I'm just trying to understand the comparison.

Thanks!

 

[CFI2766]

CFI,

You refer to the "relatively junior" SkyWest pilots in your post. I'm just curious what the "relative seniority" is...I regularly fly with 8+ years seniority captains. You should look at the OO Captain lists in SLC, PSP, DEN....I flew with a guy halfway down the DEN list the other day and he's been here over 5 years.

I'm just trying to understand the comparison.

Thanks!

Good question. I really didn't clarify all that well, primarily because I'm speculating here. That being said, your post is what I was talking about. I'm on a very junior airplane at ASA for FOs, but extremely senior for captains. 8 years of seniority seems to barely hold 4 day trips over the weekend and min days off months for the captains on the ATR. I've heard stories that 10 years of seniority might, or might not, hold a line on the 70. I just get the sense from talking with a couple of buds over at SKYW that ASA is relatively 'senior' to SKYW, FWIW.

-Now, before this goes the wrong way, I'm not in any way advocating that ASA folks 'circle the wagons' in an effort to assimilate the SKYW folks and have all their bases, aircraft, hot flight attendants are belong to us......well, maybe the flight attendants. imp:

For the two lists to ever work as one, it would HAVE to be a win-win. It would never work as a 'hostile' takeover by the ASA guys....

 

[Caspian27]

CFI,

Thanks for the reply.

I will tell you that my impression as a relatively junior OO pilot is that outside of ORD, OO is a very senior airline for Captains. The most junior Captain in my base (DEN) has been here almost 4 years. On the FO side, I don't hold a line in DEN and I've been here 15 months. I was based in ORD for 8 months and every month I was there, my base seniority got worse. Compare these to SLC which is VERY senior. The only base which I'd be sure of holding a line right now is ORD, and I'd be a few numbers from not holding one.

I'm thinking that to even hold DEN as a Captain it will take me another 4-5 years.

 

[Caspian27]

Oh yeah, by the way, I liked the "all your bases are belong to us" reference. 10 points for clever cultural reference.

Forgot to say that in the previous post....

I'd like to see one list that's fairly integrated. It would protect both sides...

I'm still not sure on the relative seniority of both companies though....

 

[CFIT]

Hey its one of the Burka Boyz....


I didn't get your reply on OO pilots using CREW PASS? Should they use this ALPA won measure? Or shun it like they did ALPA....

Would it be hypocritical?

Will you use it?

Hey it's one of the volunteer cheerleaders!

CrewPass wow, how long did that take to put in place and how much did ALPO do? Probably only what the TSA said they could.

And how long did it take? 911 aniversary next month, will be 7 years.

Now thats a fast track job! GO ALPO!

If it was a real union it would have told all the pilots, if this doesn't get fixed now we'll all not come to work the first day of the next month.

The problem would have been fixed that afternoon.

But no, ALPO is really just a business and didn't want to risk a fine.

Maybe if ALPO had a real set of stones maybe OO would join, but most of us just see it as lethargic, clumsy, poorly run, out dated, failure.

So ya Rez, if it gets through security faster great, I'll try it.

I answered your question.

Now answer mine.

Does Prater and Worth get a pension on top of their nearly half million incomes at member expense?

Ya think they could have smart enough to put a couple of bucks away........

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Hey it's one of the volunteer cheerleaders!

CrewPass wow, how long did that take to put in place and how much did ALPO do? Probably only what the TSA said they could.

And how long did it take? 911 aniversary next month, will be 7 years.

Now thats a fast track job! GO ALPO!

If it was a real union it would have told all the pilots, if this doesn't get fixed now we'll all not come to work the first day of the next month.

The problem would have been fixed that afternoon.

But no, ALPO is really just a business and didn't want to risk a fine.

Maybe if ALPO had a real set of stones maybe OO would join, but most of us just see it as lethargic, clumsy, poorly run, out dated, failure.

Easy to talk tough with that burka on.... how long did it take the OO pilots? How long would it take the OO Student Council to get CREW PASS?

Very pathetic.... the equivalent of an Afghani woman talking trash about how some one else should do something she never can....

So ya Rez, if it gets through security faster great, I'll try it.

Of course you will.. because you have no shame, no self respect.... you leach off of others hard work then complain that the hard work of others is unsat...

That is who the OO pilots are and you've just clarified it again...

I answered your question.

Now answer mine.

Does Prater and Worth get a pension on top of their nearly half million incomes at member expense?

Ya think they could have smart enough to put a couple of bucks away........

First off... what do you care? You've chosen to be a burka leach, give up your rights to Jerry and sponge off of ALPA, and now you want to get involved in ALPA internal affairs... sounds like a serious identity problem...

I see you guys in the terminal... looking like clones. At least get a tie tack... you guys look silly with your 1950's thin SLICK ties. Get a CRJ tie tack, or an American flag (you do believe in democracy don't you?)... just something so you don't look like you just go popped out of the mold and pushed off the assembly line of Jerry's factory...


The ALPA president's pension is part of a compensation package that is put together and voted on by representatives from every pilot group. Why do you have a problem with that? There are no secrets here....


Now, answer my questions...

Do you have a problem with Jerry's compensation?

If you did, could you access the Student council to change it?

Do you have a rep that will vote on it?

Do you have an ability to have a say in your job, work rules, retirement, etc... or do you just do as Jerry tell you? Jerry has a contract... do you?

 

[CFIT]

Oh Rez,

So with out a tie tack we're not good enough?Whatever-

It's too bad you've tied yourself to failed organization.


But keep on being the good cheerleader, it makes some of these guys here feel better about throwing all of their money at it.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Oh Rez,

So with out a tie tack we're not good enough?Whatever-

No.. again you seem not to be able to understand what really matters... The tie tack issue means there is no union pin. The next time you see a pilot for the carrier you serve.. check out the tie.

At least get a OO student council pin.. or will Jerry not allow it?

It's too bad you've tied yourself to failed organization.

the OO pilots have failed.... then again, it all depends on who perspective.... since you like to freeload I guess you guys haven't failed...

But keep on being the good cheerleader, it makes some of these guys here feel better about throwing all of their money at it.

I'd rather be a cheerleader of democracy then be one of Jerry's Burka Leaches.... do what you are told, when you are told and how you are told...

 

[79%N1]

Whether you like them or not, it is ALPA, not ALPO. That is just childish to give them a stupid nickname you made up because you do not like the organization. What, are you 12? Grow the f*ck up already. I could have a bit more respect for your opinion if you didn't post like you are a seventh grader.

Let me guess.......you must fly the 'Bro".

 

[XPOO]

I'd rather be a cheerleader of democracy then be one of Jerry's Burka Leaches.... do what you are told, when you are told and how you are told...

JA runs the most successful airline of it's kind. Until he shows that is no longer the case, no one will mind.

Also, JA gave everyone a 35th Anniversary pin, some just might not choose to wear it. So, what?

What's long, black and hangs from an @sshole? Rez O. Lewshun's tie.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

JA runs the most successful airline of it's kind. Until he shows that is no longer the case, no one will mind.

This mindset is the same as the Chinese ... as long as capitialism is thriving and my life is getting better or good, then who cares about individual rights....


Not the point... SWA runs THE most successful airline. And SWA it heavily unionized. See, SWA makes unions partners in its success. Something I wish every airline did. But when management at UAL, DAL, NWA, CAL and most others including OO treat labor as cost to be controlled, self representation is necessary and very American.

You pride yourself on working for the most successful airline of its kind at your own expense... That is like an indentured servant priding himself to other servants that he lives on the best plantation...

Give it a break... get real.. get representation..

Also, JA gave everyone a 35th Anniversary pin, some just might not choose to wear it. So, what?

Why? No pride in Skywest? I'd wear a service pin for my company...

What's long, black and hangs from an @sshole? Rez O. Lewshun's tie.

Cute... the best you can offer? The discussion is OO pilots using CREW PASS that ALPA made happen...

 

[XPOO]

This mindset is the same as the Chinese ... as long as capitialism is thriving and my life is getting better or good, then who cares about individual rights....


Not the point... SWA runs THE most successful airline. And SWA it heavily unionized. See, SWA makes unions partners in its success. Something I wish every airline did. But when management at UAL, DAL, NWA, CAL and most others including OO treat labor as cost to be controlled, self representation is necessary and very American.

You pride yourself on working for the most successful airline of its kind at your own expense... That is like an indentured servant priding himself to other servants that he lives on the best plantation...

Give it a break... get real.. get representation..

Last I checked, Southwest wasn't a regional airline. Hell, they don't even fly outside of the contiguous 48. But, at least they were smart enough to start a real in-house union, instead of the rinse, lather, repeat ALPA.

Why? No pride in Skywest? I'd wear a service pin for my company...

SkyWest isn't like Chotchkie's, there is no minimum requirement for "pieces of flare".

Cute... the best you can offer? The discussion is OO pilots using CREW PASS that ALPA made happen...

You rarely ever care what the topic is about when you spew your ALPA rhetoric, so why should I?

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Last I checked, Southwest wasn't a regional airline. Hell, they don't even fly outside of the contiguous 48. But, at least they were smart enough to start a real in-house union, instead of the rinse, lather, repeat ALPA.

Wow... and you fly to Canada..... very cosmopolitan... Do you fly to Mexico too?

Don't get me wrong.. I like Canada... in fact the Canadian gov't refused to allow UAL to rape its workers pensions...

What do you think of that?

Do you think its fair that UAL raped its US workers pensions? Since you love being at the mercy of management?


What does SWA being a regional or not have to do with it.. in fact.. I say it has more value because SWA is its own brand.. unlike OO who really is just a vendor for DAL and UAL... just like the fuelers and caterers...

So.. as long as you can undercut and be the outsourcers you'll have success...


SWAPA is able to be successful for three reasons...

one their management runs a successful airline
two they make unions their partners
three it is easier to manage a small group with a single territory than many groups with many territories...

But if you want to compare apples to apples what has SWAPA done for you that ALPA has not...

SkyWest isn't like Chotchkie's, there is no minimum requirement for "pieces of flare".

That is obvious...

You rarely ever care what the topic is about when you spew your ALPA rhetoric, so why should I?

Because you are leaching off of the hard work of ALPA volunteers all while being very disrespectful.

The Burka leach rationale is selfish... OO pilots just want their quick upgrade, keep their heads low, and move on to a......... union carrier...

The hypocrisy of OO pilots is disgusting....

You want respect but you aren't willing to give it...

 

[PCL_128]

Because you are leaching off of the hard work of ALPA volunteers all while being very disrespectful.

Actually, he's not. He's not even an OO pilot. He's just a cubicle-jockey in dispatch that thinks he knows something about pilot unions. He is sadly mistaken.

 

[XPOO]

Rez...

I had a nice long reply, which would have pointed out how alike Southwest and SkyWest are, and not as dissimilar as you try to make them sound. Then I decided to just point out that I said "of it's kind" and Southwest is not a regional. You need to comprehend as well as read before "jumping to conclusions" there Milton.