Real Men of Genius....The ASA MEC

[Rez O. Lewshun]

So the fact that I posted what the ex-president made makes me point invalid? I just posted what I read on www.unionfacts.com

Leadership
Top 10 International ALPA Leaders & Staff (by Salary)
Name Title Total Compensation
Duane Woerth President $ 485,411
Jalmer Johnson General Manager $ 395,454
Jonathan Cohen Chief Counsel/dir Legal $ 382,641

etc. etc.

The new president probably hasn't had time to report it yet.

cause it says facts in the web address it must be?

Getting information from unionfacts is like reading an Albert Speer leaflet on Jews...

 

[777forever]

And which post was this?

I am an ALPA member--and maybe you are too! I pay my dues, I try to attend the meetings, and I try to stay up with what is going on by talking to other pilots, my ALPA Reps, and even MGMT types.

My silence is due to my absence from time to time from this forum. I still have to work, maintain my side business, and romance my lady friend. And oh yeah--pay my taxes![/quote]


Welll, cheer up. If the day comes when B. Hussein Obama is elected to POTUS, your tax burden will skyrocket, making calculating your taxes much, much easier. Simply give all of your earnings to the IRS, and enjoy the wonder that will be a democratically controlled Washington, DC.

McCain doesn't like airline pilots or pilot unions. His own son flies for AA and they are not on speaking terms.

If you're an airline pilot and vote for McCain your medical certificate should be revoked for insanity.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Would it not have been appropriate to do this on the ALPA Board since it is about ALPA?

This is one thing I have never liked about ALPA.....They hate it when you air dirty laundry in public...They even teach you in leadership training to avoid this....Guess who they used in the role playing skit on this when I went through leadership training....The USAir MEC....Anyone else see the irony there?

Texx...you yourself used to be involved in ALPA...but you had a falling out with the leadership....People don't go to the ALPA board because they are afraid of speaking out against ALPA...The can do it here without signing their name.....

I don't care about signing my name..everyone knows who I am.....but some people don't like the mob pressure of speaking out against ALPA...

 

[JoeMerchant]

No, I just don't believe everything posted on these boards. Only an idiot would believe the postings without verification or validation. Where does that put you?

I've been involved in ALPA before....and I believe the post....Let's not forget that the whole ASAP program was held hostage for politcal reasons for many years.....That came from a respected safety committee member...

Only an idiot would blindly follow ALPA and believe every word they put out.....Only an idiot blindly believes any side in an arguement....the truth always lies in the middle....Where does that put you?

 

[JoeMerchant]

So I take it that you and BT are volunteering to help improve these shortfalls? Thank you for stepping forward. Contact The MEC Chairman for your assignments.

You were involved at one time.....why did you quit?

 

[JoeMerchant]

And the person that started this thread would have the same if he would post his OR her name also.

Take it to the ALPA Board. Give it a break!

People don't like to post their names because of the ALPA thugs who then personally attack them....I don't care because they are really all bark and no bite....but many don't like it.....

ALPA doesn't like dissent...

 

[JoeMerchant]

Why do you insist on emphasizing his middle name? Surely your point is strong enough to stand alone and not require cheap shots?

A comparison of Obama and McCain tax plans:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/06/09/ST2008060900950.html

I don't really believe those charts....but even using those charts, I get a bigger tax cut with McCain and Obama is giving money to those who don't currenty pay taxes.......

Capital gains taxes will go up with Obama......and that will affect most of us.....

The govt. needs to be smaller....not bigger...They already get too much of my money.....

 

[JoeMerchant]

Lame cop out. I think he was asking if you're a rep, which should be obvious considering you always parrot the ALPA party line, just like your buddy rez-o-lution. As I told him, they must teach you guys this stuff in rep school:

1. Never admit ALPA is wrong.
2. Attack anyone who questions ALPA, using personal attacks if necessary, hoping to undermine their credibility.
3. Blame the membership and their lack of involvement for the problems you as a rep can't solve.

These are standard attacks from the ALPA cheerleading section.....They can't stand attacks on ALPA and they teach you in ALPA training to avoid this being aired in public....The best thing you can do if you don't agree it to continue to attack the policies in public........It does make a difference and it is noticed.....

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

People don't like to post their names because of the ALPA thugs who then personally attack them....I don't care because they are really all bark and no bite....but many don't like it.....

ALPA doesn't like dissent...

No... they don't like obstructionist....

Dissent is fine... but there is a way to handle it in a democratic organization...

Withholding meeting minutes and conducting lawsuits is also poor form....


The US gov't allows dissent but it also doesn't tolerate active efforts to obstruct and undermine it. Hence treason.


Mature, intelligent, well thought out and respectfully delivered opposition and dissent is fine.... In fact don't you agree that that is how it should be communicated...

Or do you think dissent should be fist on the table banging, yelling, deceitful, disrespectful and untrustworthy?

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

I don't really believe those charts....but even using those charts, I get a bigger tax cut with McCain and Obama is giving money to those who don't currenty pay taxes.......

Capital gains taxes will go up with Obama......and that will affect most of us.....

The govt. needs to be smaller....not bigger...They already get too much of my money.....

Your gross income is going to go down with McCain

 

[JoeMerchant]

Actually, he's raking in a $120,000 a year ALPA paid pension, but that's not important right now...

Actually Duane Woerth's pension is just shy of 150K per year...but you regional pilots need to pay more in dues......

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

These are standard attacks from the ALPA cheerleading section.....They can't stand attacks on ALPA and they teach you in ALPA training to avoid this being aired in public....The best thing you can do if you don't agree it to continue to attack the policies in public........It does make a difference and it is noticed.....

ALPA does need to do a better job teaching reps how to be leaders... On a side note... meeting minutes is one...

But for reps that are serious about being leaders ALPA needs to address this... it is something that needs to improve..

As far public speaking etc... the reason why is because management simply uses it as a wedge to divide and conquer...

Most relationships that require effectiveness and teamwork have close communications.... not too many people work out of the corporate lobby... rather meetings are done in offices and conference rooms with the appropriate level of discretion...

 

[JoeMerchant]

No... they don't like obstructionist....

Dissent is fine... but there is a way to handle it in a democratic organization...

Withholding meeting minutes and conducting lawsuits is also poor form....


The US gov't allows dissent but it also doesn't tolerate active efforts to obstruct and undermine it. Hence treason.


Mature, intelligent, well thought out and respectfully delivered opposition and dissent is fine.... In fact don't you agree that that is how it should be communicated...

Or do you think dissent should be fist on the table banging, yelling, deceitful, disrespectful and untrustworthy?

Funny you should envoke the "treason" issue....One could argue....and Lincoln did....that those of you on the left side of the aisle are being treasoness with your stand on the war......

But I digress......Large organizations only change course when their malfesence is brought to light in public.....Any organization that doesn't like issues being debated in the public square is questionable....Deal with it in public.....Me thinks you don't really like democracy....Only your form of democracy......

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Funny you should envoke the "treason" issue....One could argue....and Lincoln did....that those of you on the left side of the aisle are being treasoness with your stand on the war......

got a reference.... ??

But I digress......Large organizations only change course when their malfesence is brought to light in public.....Any organization that doesn't like issues being debated in the public square is questionable....Deal with it in public.....Me thinks you don't really like democracy....Only your form of democracy......

ALPA needs to change and grow... but not what you have in mind...

 

[JoeMerchant]

Your gross income is going to go down with McCain

My gross income has gone up every year during Bush...How is that? My net has also gone up as I have been able to keep more of it for myself.....

Which candidate is better for the airline industry? You can't squeeze blood out of a turnip....If the airlines don't make money......Collective bargaining isn't going to increase any gross income.....How can you increase gross income out of companies that are losing money?

What's good for business....is good for us.....

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Actually Duane Woerth's pension is just shy of 150K per year...but you regional pilots need to pay more in dues......

Then revoke it. You ALPA haters won't be happy till you screw every staffer and volunteer just as managment has screwed us... in others you won't be miserably happy until you are like managment...

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

My gross income has gone up every year during Bush...How is that?

a labor contract? How has your pay done compared to inflation...

My net has also gone up as I have been able to keep more of it for myself.....

tax brackets? I mean you fly an ATR...

you makin 6 figures flying that french pinwheel?

Which candidate is better for the airline industry? You can't squeeze blood out of a turnip....If the airlines don't make money......Collective bargaining isn't going to increase any gross income.....How can you increase gross income out of companies that are losing money?

What's good for business....is good for us.....

There you have it folks... Renfield... ready to serve us up to the blood thirsty CEOs of the CorpWorld...

 

[JoeMerchant]

a labor contract? How has your pay done compared to inflation...

It has gone up faster than the rate of inflation.....How is that possible under an evil Republican President?

tax brackets? I mean you fly an ATR...

you makin 6 figures flying that french pinwheel?

I'm on pace to make about 110K flying this french pinwheel....with an evil Republican President.....

There you have it folks... Renfield... ready to serve us up to the blood thirsty CEOs of the CorpWorld...

No....just business 101......You can't expect to negotiate more pay if your company and industry are losing money.....I want my company and industry to make large amounts of money.....that helps me and you....sorry you can't see that.....

 

[Flybywire44]

JB I've never heard anyone talk about his salary as much as you...

 

[JoeMerchant]

JB I've never heard anyone talk about his salary as much as you...

Rez brought it up.....He doesn't think anyone can make more under a Republican President......I'm just trying to be "fair and balanced"......The unionistas hate that.....

I'm just trying to preserve what I have......

Do you have a problem with that? Should I just tow the party line and say Obama will be better for me when I know he won't?