Real Men of Genius....The ASA MEC

[sea6t]

Clueless!!

He can't tell you because not only is he NOT a real man of genius, he does not know who is reps are? Is he really plugged in?

Raise the Flag--his story is probably just that--a story!

You're an idiot.

 

[HoserASA]

Why didn't you introduce yourself and voice your displeasure with his private phone converstation? And as you could not hear who was on the other end of his conversation, and what that person was saying, you obviously don't know what issue they were talking about do you?

Someone with glasses! Well, as I know who our ALPA reps are, that narrows it down to two, and I could tell you who it was exactly but won't. Introduce yourself next time, even if you don't have a complaint about his converstation. Our ALPA reps are volunteers, and you should appreciate their efforts to improve things here, as well as SH and BH's efforts. No one is perfect.

Are they (ALPA) perfect and do the right things all the time? No, they don't, and neither does the company. But ALPA is there for us, represent us, and attempt to do their best as volunteers. Under BH's leadership, ASA has greatly improved, and for the first time in my 18 years here, I'm proud of ASA's accomplishments, and the pilot group's as well.

Hoser
Capt Mark Scardino
Roll Tide!

 

[sweptback]

Wait a minute here, if he was there for the ASAP presentation, wouldn't he be a safety committee guy? Those guys are not reps. Maybe the original poster needs to learn the difference.

I think I know who it is, and if so, he's done more work for the safety committee over his years at ASA than the original poster has ever dreamed of. Let's give him a pass on this, especially since he was on a private phone conversation in a somewhat private area (the back computer room is kinda small and not exactly out in front of everybody).

 

[Texx]

Why didn't you introduce yourself and voice your displeasure with his private phone converstation? And as you could not hear who was on the other end of his conversation, and what that person was saying, you obviously don't know what issue they were talking about do you?

Someone with glasses! Well, as I know who our ALPA reps are, that narrows it down to two, and I could tell you who it was exactly but won't. Introduce yourself next time, even if you don't have a complaint about his converstation. Our ALPA reps are volunteers, and you should appreciate their efforts to improve things here, as well as SH and BH's efforts. No one is perfect.

Are they (ALPA) perfect and do the right things all the time? No, they don't, and neither does the company. But ALPA is there for us, represent us, and attempt to do their best as volunteers. Under BH's leadership, ASA has greatly improved, and for the first time in my 18 years here, I'm proud of ASA's accomplishments, and the pilot group's as well.

Hoser
Capt Mark Scardino
Roll Tide!

Oh Boy...this is getting good!

 

[Texx]

Here is my problem with the ASA MEC....


I'm in the overflow lounge yesterday, and I overhear an ALPA rep on the phone. He's talking about how Scott H has his "head stuck up his a$$" over the email he sent out yesterday about medical certificates. He continues his 3rd grade rant for 10 minutes, then I find out he's at the airport for ASAP questions.

When your at the airport with your ALPA shirt on, your on official business, and I, along with the other "professional" pilots would appreciate it if you would "act" professional, and please try not to act like an idiot while your representing me.

And one more thing...why did ALPA send out the rant a few weeks ago about Scott talking with pilots about furloughs and displacements. We are all big boys, and can handle the truth. I'd rather management speak freely and openly about whats on their mind, than get the diluted kool-aid version. I guess ALPA wants us all to walk around ignorant and oblivious to reality until the company has to send out the 2 week furlough letter....Then we can all sit around and wonder when it started to turn sour.

Well as of tonight, 38 Captains are going to be FO's again, and not a word from the union. Would the real man of genius please stand up?

Would it not have been appropriate to do this on the ALPA Board since it is about ALPA?

 

[shelton]

There seems to be a lot of talk about what B.T. should have done. The problem is not this one particular rep or the the fact that he did not approach and correct him. I have seen an underlying theme of unprofessional behavior for some time now in our union. B.T. is simply venting as many do on here and what he witnessed certainly warrants that. He should not have to go tell a rep or "safety committee guy" or P2P or anyone else representing ALPA how to be professional. They are volunteers, but piss poor volunteers are worse than none. Certainly not all of them fall under the category of piss poor, but do not support what is not right. We need to have the integrity to call it what it is and not attack the guy who witnessed it and is venting about it. The fact remains that ALPA cannot afford this type of behavior. If management spoke the way our union does or sent out emails with the tone that our union takes the pilot group would be in an uproar. All I ask is that we have the same professionalism as they currently do and the integrity to call out those of us who do not-- volunteer or not-- safety rep or not.

 

[Speedtape]

There seems to be a lot of talk about what B.T. should have done. The problem is not this one particular rep or the the fact that he did not approach and correct him. I have seen an underlying theme of unprofessional behavior for some time now in our union. B.T. is simply venting as many do on here and what he witnessed certainly warrants that. He should not have to go tell a rep or "safety committee guy" or P2P or anyone else representing ALPA how to be professional. They are volunteers, but piss poor volunteers are worse than none. Certainly not all of them fall under the category of piss poor, but do not support what is not right. We need to have the integrity to call it what it is and not attack the guy who witnessed it and is venting about it. The fact remains that ALPA cannot afford this type of behavior. If management spoke the way our union does or sent out emails with the tone that our union takes the pilot group would be in an uproar. All I ask is that we have the same professionalism as they currently do and the integrity to call out those of us who do not-- volunteer or not-- safety rep or not.

Once again, I raise the flag! Anyone can come on here and make any kind of allegation and "he said, she said" comment.

I agree with Hoser. For now, there is constructive actions on both party's part and they even seem to be working together for your benefit. However, don't expect it to last long term.

Just some insight from past history, there have been quite a few "nice guys" that have been in MGMT positions, that in retrospect became something much less than nice guys based on their track records.

 

[Speedtape]

You're an idiot.

No, I just don't believe everything posted on these boards. Only an idiot would believe the postings without verification or validation. Where does that put you?

 

[Speedtape]

There seems to be a lot of talk about what B.T. should have done. The problem is not this one particular rep or the the fact that he did not approach and correct him. I have seen an underlying theme of unprofessional behavior for some time now in our union. B.T. is simply venting as many do on here and what he witnessed certainly warrants that. He should not have to go tell a rep or "safety committee guy" or P2P or anyone else representing ALPA how to be professional. They are volunteers, but piss poor volunteers are worse than none. Certainly not all of them fall under the category of piss poor, but do not support what is not right. We need to have the integrity to call it what it is and not attack the guy who witnessed it and is venting about it. The fact remains that ALPA cannot afford this type of behavior. If management spoke the way our union does or sent out emails with the tone that our union takes the pilot group would be in an uproar. All I ask is that we have the same professionalism as they currently do and the integrity to call out those of us who do not-- volunteer or not-- safety rep or not.

We need to have the integrity to not assassinate a rep for what has been claimed on this board without verification and explanation!

We need to have enough wisdom to view what if anything was said, in the context that it was said, instead of making broad brushed claims about someone without proper verification or validation.

Finally, anyone, that's anyone, that means anyone including other than a pilot, can post on here!

 

[Texx]

There seems to be a lot of talk about what B.T. should have done. The problem is not this one particular rep or the the fact that he did not approach and correct him. I have seen an underlying theme of unprofessional behavior for some time now in our union. B.T. is simply venting as many do on here and what he witnessed certainly warrants that. He should not have to go tell a rep or "safety committee guy" or P2P or anyone else representing ALPA how to be professional. They are volunteers, but piss poor volunteers are worse than none. Certainly not all of them fall under the category of piss poor, but do not support what is not right. We need to have the integrity to call it what it is and not attack the guy who witnessed it and is venting about it. The fact remains that ALPA cannot afford this type of behavior. If management spoke the way our union does or sent out emails with the tone that our union takes the pilot group would be in an uproar. All I ask is that we have the same professionalism as they currently do and the integrity to call out those of us who do not-- volunteer or not-- safety rep or not.

So I take it that you and BT are volunteering to help improve these shortfalls? Thank you for stepping forward. Contact The MEC Chairman for your assignments.

 

[Speedtape]

Here is my problem with the ASA MEC....


I'm in the overflow lounge yesterday, and I overhear an ALPA rep on the phone. He's talking about how Scott H has his "head stuck up his a$$" over the email he sent out yesterday about medical certificates. He continues his 3rd grade rant for 10 minutes, then I find out he's at the airport for ASAP questions.

When your at the airport with your ALPA shirt on, your on official business, and I, along with the other "professional" pilots would appreciate it if you would "act" professional, and please try not to act like an idiot while your representing me.

And one more thing...why did ALPA send out the rant a few weeks ago about Scott talking with pilots about furloughs and displacements. We are all big boys, and can handle the truth. I'd rather management speak freely and openly about whats on their mind, than get the diluted kool-aid version. I guess ALPA wants us all to walk around ignorant and oblivious to reality until the company has to send out the 2 week furlough letter....Then we can all sit around and wonder when it started to turn sour.

Well as of tonight, 38 Captains are going to be FO's again, and not a word from the union. Would the real man of genius please stand up?

Sounds like you already have!

 

[BOX OFFICE]

One final thing: Speetape, give it up buddy. If you are ALPA, have the cojones to say so. You would have much more credibility, both here and in person, if you would have the courage to accept the accountability accompanying your position within ALPA.

Notice that he carefully and thoughtfully replied to every post except this one? His silence is very telling, isn't it?

 

[Speedtape]

Notice that he carefully and thoughtfully replied to every post except this one? His silence is very telling, isn't it?

And which post was this?

I am an ALPA member--and maybe you are too! I pay my dues, I try to attend the meetings, and I try to stay up with what is going on by talking to other pilots, my ALPA Reps, and even MGMT types.

My silence is due to my absence from time to time from this forum. I still have to work, maintain my side business, and romance my lady friend. And oh yeah--pay my taxes!

 

[Texx]

Notice that he carefully and thoughtfully replied to every post except this one? His silence is very telling, isn't it?

And the person that started this thread would have the same if he would post his OR her name also.

Take it to the ALPA Board. Give it a break!

 

[CFI2766]

And which post was this?

I am an ALPA member--and maybe you are too! I pay my dues, I try to attend the meetings, and I try to stay up with what is going on by talking to other pilots, my ALPA Reps, and even MGMT types.

My silence is due to my absence from time to time from this forum. I still have to work, maintain my side business, and romance my lady friend. And oh yeah--pay my taxes![/quote]


Welll, cheer up. If the day comes when B. Hussein Obama is elected to POTUS, your tax burden will skyrocket, making calculating your taxes much, much easier. Simply give all of your earnings to the IRS, and enjoy the wonder that will be a democratically controlled Washington, DC.