Real Men of Genius....The ASA MEC

[shelton]

There seems to be a lot of talk about what B.T. should have done. The problem is not this one particular rep or the the fact that he did not approach and correct him. I have seen an underlying theme of unprofessional behavior for some time now in our union. B.T. is simply venting as many do on here and what he witnessed certainly warrants that. He should not have to go tell a rep or "safety committee guy" or P2P or anyone else representing ALPA how to be professional. They are volunteers, but piss poor volunteers are worse than none. Certainly not all of them fall under the category of piss poor, but do not support what is not right. We need to have the integrity to call it what it is and not attack the guy who witnessed it and is venting about it. The fact remains that ALPA cannot afford this type of behavior. If management spoke the way our union does or sent out emails with the tone that our union takes the pilot group would be in an uproar. All I ask is that we have the same professionalism as they currently do and the integrity to call out those of us who do not-- volunteer or not-- safety rep or not.

 

[Speedtape]

There seems to be a lot of talk about what B.T. should have done. The problem is not this one particular rep or the the fact that he did not approach and correct him. I have seen an underlying theme of unprofessional behavior for some time now in our union. B.T. is simply venting as many do on here and what he witnessed certainly warrants that. He should not have to go tell a rep or "safety committee guy" or P2P or anyone else representing ALPA how to be professional. They are volunteers, but piss poor volunteers are worse than none. Certainly not all of them fall under the category of piss poor, but do not support what is not right. We need to have the integrity to call it what it is and not attack the guy who witnessed it and is venting about it. The fact remains that ALPA cannot afford this type of behavior. If management spoke the way our union does or sent out emails with the tone that our union takes the pilot group would be in an uproar. All I ask is that we have the same professionalism as they currently do and the integrity to call out those of us who do not-- volunteer or not-- safety rep or not.

Once again, I raise the flag! Anyone can come on here and make any kind of allegation and "he said, she said" comment.

I agree with Hoser. For now, there is constructive actions on both party's part and they even seem to be working together for your benefit. However, don't expect it to last long term.

Just some insight from past history, there have been quite a few "nice guys" that have been in MGMT positions, that in retrospect became something much less than nice guys based on their track records.

 

[Speedtape]

You're an idiot.

No, I just don't believe everything posted on these boards. Only an idiot would believe the postings without verification or validation. Where does that put you?

 

[Speedtape]

There seems to be a lot of talk about what B.T. should have done. The problem is not this one particular rep or the the fact that he did not approach and correct him. I have seen an underlying theme of unprofessional behavior for some time now in our union. B.T. is simply venting as many do on here and what he witnessed certainly warrants that. He should not have to go tell a rep or "safety committee guy" or P2P or anyone else representing ALPA how to be professional. They are volunteers, but piss poor volunteers are worse than none. Certainly not all of them fall under the category of piss poor, but do not support what is not right. We need to have the integrity to call it what it is and not attack the guy who witnessed it and is venting about it. The fact remains that ALPA cannot afford this type of behavior. If management spoke the way our union does or sent out emails with the tone that our union takes the pilot group would be in an uproar. All I ask is that we have the same professionalism as they currently do and the integrity to call out those of us who do not-- volunteer or not-- safety rep or not.

We need to have the integrity to not assassinate a rep for what has been claimed on this board without verification and explanation!

We need to have enough wisdom to view what if anything was said, in the context that it was said, instead of making broad brushed claims about someone without proper verification or validation.

Finally, anyone, that's anyone, that means anyone including other than a pilot, can post on here!

 

[Texx]

There seems to be a lot of talk about what B.T. should have done. The problem is not this one particular rep or the the fact that he did not approach and correct him. I have seen an underlying theme of unprofessional behavior for some time now in our union. B.T. is simply venting as many do on here and what he witnessed certainly warrants that. He should not have to go tell a rep or "safety committee guy" or P2P or anyone else representing ALPA how to be professional. They are volunteers, but piss poor volunteers are worse than none. Certainly not all of them fall under the category of piss poor, but do not support what is not right. We need to have the integrity to call it what it is and not attack the guy who witnessed it and is venting about it. The fact remains that ALPA cannot afford this type of behavior. If management spoke the way our union does or sent out emails with the tone that our union takes the pilot group would be in an uproar. All I ask is that we have the same professionalism as they currently do and the integrity to call out those of us who do not-- volunteer or not-- safety rep or not.

So I take it that you and BT are volunteering to help improve these shortfalls? Thank you for stepping forward. Contact The MEC Chairman for your assignments.

 

[Speedtape]

Here is my problem with the ASA MEC....


I'm in the overflow lounge yesterday, and I overhear an ALPA rep on the phone. He's talking about how Scott H has his "head stuck up his a$$" over the email he sent out yesterday about medical certificates. He continues his 3rd grade rant for 10 minutes, then I find out he's at the airport for ASAP questions.

When your at the airport with your ALPA shirt on, your on official business, and I, along with the other "professional" pilots would appreciate it if you would "act" professional, and please try not to act like an idiot while your representing me.

And one more thing...why did ALPA send out the rant a few weeks ago about Scott talking with pilots about furloughs and displacements. We are all big boys, and can handle the truth. I'd rather management speak freely and openly about whats on their mind, than get the diluted kool-aid version. I guess ALPA wants us all to walk around ignorant and oblivious to reality until the company has to send out the 2 week furlough letter....Then we can all sit around and wonder when it started to turn sour.

Well as of tonight, 38 Captains are going to be FO's again, and not a word from the union. Would the real man of genius please stand up?

Sounds like you already have!

 

[BOX OFFICE]

One final thing: Speetape, give it up buddy. If you are ALPA, have the cojones to say so. You would have much more credibility, both here and in person, if you would have the courage to accept the accountability accompanying your position within ALPA.

Notice that he carefully and thoughtfully replied to every post except this one? His silence is very telling, isn't it?

 

[Speedtape]

Notice that he carefully and thoughtfully replied to every post except this one? His silence is very telling, isn't it?

And which post was this?

I am an ALPA member--and maybe you are too! I pay my dues, I try to attend the meetings, and I try to stay up with what is going on by talking to other pilots, my ALPA Reps, and even MGMT types.

My silence is due to my absence from time to time from this forum. I still have to work, maintain my side business, and romance my lady friend. And oh yeah--pay my taxes!

 

[Texx]

Notice that he carefully and thoughtfully replied to every post except this one? His silence is very telling, isn't it?

And the person that started this thread would have the same if he would post his OR her name also.

Take it to the ALPA Board. Give it a break!

 

[CFI2766]

And which post was this?

I am an ALPA member--and maybe you are too! I pay my dues, I try to attend the meetings, and I try to stay up with what is going on by talking to other pilots, my ALPA Reps, and even MGMT types.

My silence is due to my absence from time to time from this forum. I still have to work, maintain my side business, and romance my lady friend. And oh yeah--pay my taxes![/quote]


Welll, cheer up. If the day comes when B. Hussein Obama is elected to POTUS, your tax burden will skyrocket, making calculating your taxes much, much easier. Simply give all of your earnings to the IRS, and enjoy the wonder that will be a democratically controlled Washington, DC.

 

[sweptback]

Welll, cheer up. If the day comes when B. Hussein Obama is elected to POTUS, your tax burden will skyrocket, making calculating your taxes much, much easier. Simply give all of your earnings to the IRS, and enjoy the wonder that will be a democratically controlled Washington, DC.

Why do you insist on emphasizing his middle name? Surely your point is strong enough to stand alone and not require cheap shots?

A comparison of Obama and McCain tax plans:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/06/09/ST2008060900950.html

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Welll, cheer up. If the day comes when B. Hussein Obama is elected to POTUS, your tax burden will skyrocket, making calculating your taxes much, much easier. Simply give all of your earnings to the IRS, and enjoy the wonder that will be a democratically controlled Washington, DC.

Well cheer up...

If McBush McCainsane gets elected your gross income will continue to go down....

Does it matter how much money you are not making?

I'd rather make more money and stuff it into a 401k and Roth IRA's, Flex Spending accounts, etc... and deal with the Obama tax "burden" then deal with a continuation of the last seven years with John "Airline pilots are not patriotic" McCain....


Perspective people!!

 

[ASA_Aviator]

CLUELESS!!

Whatever. You ALPA sheep are the clueless ones. Keep paying your dues so Capt. Worthless can make over $400,000.00

 

[BOX OFFICE]

And which post was this?

I am an ALPA member--and maybe you are too! I pay my dues, I try to attend the meetings, and I try to stay up with what is going on by talking to other pilots, my ALPA Reps, and even MGMT types.

My silence is due to my absence from time to time from this forum. I still have to work, maintain my side business, and romance my lady friend. And oh yeah--pay my taxes!

Lame cop out. I think he was asking if you're a rep, which should be obvious considering you always parrot the ALPA party line, just like your buddy rez-o-lution. As I told him, they must teach you guys this stuff in rep school:

1. Never admit ALPA is wrong.
2. Attack anyone who questions ALPA, using personal attacks if necessary, hoping to undermine their credibility.
3. Blame the membership and their lack of involvement for the problems you as a rep can't solve.

It's old. I'm a plain old ALPA member, and you ALPA cheerleaders blathering on message boards is embarrassing to all of us. You aren't doing us any favors "defending ALPA" in pigsties like this. Maybe you all should just give it a rest and find something else to preach about. For MOST us us, our life extends beyond work!!!

 

[twott driver]

Whatever. You ALPA sheep are the clueless ones. Keep paying your dues so Capt. Worthless can make over $400,000.00

Man, aren't you a great source of current and pertinent information? Woerthless has been gone for a year or more, but don't let that stop your ignorant postings.

 

[BOX OFFICE]

Man, aren't you a great source of current and pertinent information? Woerthless has been gone for a year or more, but don't let that stop your ignorant postings.

Actually, he's raking in a $120,000 a year ALPA paid pension, but that's not important right now...

 

[JoeMerchant]

Why don't we get rid of ALPA, and get an in-house union? I would much rather pay my dues to people I know, and get better representation in the process. The issue with the 401-K was the last straw for me.

That is being tossed around by a few people here...including a former MEC member....

I have mixed emotions....I think the DFR lawsuit threat is powerful and we loose that if we leave ALPA....However I also think we could better represent our interests and we would have a better chance of a single list without ALPA....

PM if you want to help with the movement that is currently going on to either fire ALPA, or keep it in check....

 

[ASA_Aviator]

Man, aren't you a great source of current and pertinent information? Woerthless has been gone for a year or more, but don't let that stop your ignorant postings.

So the fact that I posted what the ex-president made makes me point invalid? I just posted what I read on www.unionfacts.com

Leadership
Top 10 International ALPA Leaders & Staff (by Salary)
Name Title Total Compensation
Duane Woerth President $ 485,411
Jalmer Johnson General Manager $ 395,454
Jonathan Cohen Chief Counsel/dir Legal $ 382,641

etc. etc.

The new president probably hasn't had time to report it yet.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Yeah, let's put our trust in one of the ring leaders of the RJDC--a known ALPA hater and self-proclaimed rebel with a lost cause! Your law suit cost me alot more than the $7 a month that I may be paying in dues on my 401-K contributions. Sorry, you can't really be called a member of the silent majority or for that matter the silent minority.

You make me proud to be an ALPA Cheerleader! At least each one of them shows up for more than one meeting in 2 years, in a position for which they were elected. Rah, Rah, Ray!

I don't put my trust in anybody....not you, not DW, not Prater, not Newie, not SH....Everyone has an agenda.....I do, you do, BH does, Jerry does, and ALPA does.....That's why I can't be a good union steward....it requires blind faith....I don't let anybody speak for me.....Unions don't like that....they want to speak for me....Only I speak for me.....Why do you let someone else speak for you?

The RJDC lawsuit was about fairly representing the regional groups....I will not support a union that I have to sue to fairly represent me.......I spent more than you have to pay......

ALPA is a joke when it comes to representation....You know it.....you have even admited that I may be right.....

I don't wear my ALPA pin....and I really don't care for the organization....You ALPA cheerleaders need to realize that there are many more like me....ALPA has a serious credibility issue.....and people like Rez make it worse.........

 

[ASA_Aviator]

That is being tossed around by a few people here...including a former MEC member....

I have mixed emotions....I think the DFR lawsuit threat is powerful and we loose that if we leave ALPA....However I also think we could better represent our interests and we would have a better chance of a single list without ALPA....

PM if you want to help with the movement that is currently going on to either fire ALPA, or keep it in check....

I don't mind paying dues if they are being used wisely, and in defense of the issues that are important to ASA pilots. I just feel that the national agenda and ASA's pilot's agenda are different, and we should consider other options.

We aren't stuck with ALPA now that we have them. They serve at our pleasure.