RE: Delta BK Judge.... I'm sorry guys

[Jet_Driver]

RE: Delta BK Judge.... I'm sorry guys

Delta Pilots, I am sorry that you have to go through the BK, but to put up with the comments of Judge Beatty must make it that much harder. I fly for Eagle and am offended at her remarks. She needs a reality check and should look at my paycheck and then she will know just how much pilots make flying planes. You deserve every dollar you make.

Hang in there guys. You're taking one for the team and it isn't fair. Eagle may not be in BK, but because of Judge Beatty's comments, you're not the only one hurting over this.

I wrote a letter to the editor of the USA Today in response. Perhaps you ought to as well.

 

[coolyokeluke]

Gentlemen,
I read about the idiot judge in the bankrupcty case also. I thought back to some of the threads where we debated white collar/blue collar and the perception that pilots are overpaid by the general public. Many thought "who cares". Unfortunately this is why we should care about the misconception. But I'm sure if you guys put solar panels on the roofs of your aircraft like the judge suggested your fuel savings would be enough to save your jobs, right?
Best of luck.

 

[kingairyahoo]

...solar panels???

 

[coolyokeluke]

Yea the judge mused over why don't they put solar panels on aircraft to save fuel. This same judge is described as "brilliant" and says the only people in her courtroom that are paid more than the pilots are the lawyers representing them.

 

[PCL_128]

I wrote a letter to the editor of the USA Today in response. Perhaps you ought to as well.

I did the same. The things coming from this woman's mouth are just unbelievable. It sounds like a real circus atmosphere in there. If you haven't read the whole transcripts, then you should take a look at them. The newspaper articles only scratch the surface of this woman's lunacy.

 

[RJDC]

The shoe's on the other foot now isn't it Delta professionals!

 

[General Lee]

The shoe's on the other foot now isn't it Delta professionals!

Actually, we aren't doing that bad as of late. You must not have read the transcripts from the last round. We'll see how it goes, and hopefully we negotiate a fair contract for everyone. Her remarks lately have been toward the company, not us. Maybe that will change, who knows?


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[PCL_128]

Actually, we aren't doing that bad as of late. You must not have read the transcripts from the last round. We'll see how it goes, and hopefully we negotiate a fair contract for everyone. Her remarks lately have been toward the company, not us. Maybe that will change, who knows?


Bye Bye--General Lee

General, you know I love ya, but you're living in a dream world if you believe that. This judge isn't going to go easy on you guys at all. She seems to think that anyone who makes a single dollar more than her is overpaid.

Are you willing to walk if she throws out your contract? I haven't heard you say where you stand on that issue.

 

[General Lee]

General, you know I love ya, but you're living in a dream world if you believe that. This judge isn't going to go easy on you guys at all. She seems to think that anyone who makes a single dollar more than her is overpaid.

Are you willing to walk if she throws out your contract? I haven't heard you say where you stand on that issue.

I will PM you.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[BIGBROWNDC8]

RJDC,
Go get a life. Your a sad, bitter little pilot with a small plane complex. I bet you have a small wanker too... Looser...

 

[RJDC]

RJDC,
Go get a life. Your a sad, bitter little pilot with a small plane complex. I bet you have a small wanker too... Looser...

Big talk for a freight dog. Oh but the UPS pilots are so powerful. Then why are contractors still flying your freight? LOL. Just wait till a LCC freight carrier comes along and you won't be talking so big now will you! And what about that big pay raise you thought you were going to get? I've heard that you are not going to be getting now.

 

[737 Pylt]

The shoe's on the other foot now isn't it Delta professionals!

Hey rjdc, how goes that lawsuit?? Shouldn't you be mailing in checks to your lawyer about now!?!?
737

 

[RJDC]

Even if our lawsuit is not ultimately successful at least I'll have the satisfaction of seeing the Delta "professionals" having their contract thrown to the wolves! and having their huge chip knocked off their shoulder as they will no longer be the one's that most pilots envy. Now most pilots will have pity on them and maybe offer to buy them lunch or something since they will no longer have crew meals!!!!

 

[737 Pylt]

Even if our lawsuit is not ultimately successful at least I'll have the satisfaction of seeing the Delta "professionals" having their contract thrown to the wolves! and having their huge chip knocked off their shoulder as they will no longer be the one's that most pilots envy. Now most pilots will have pity on them and maybe offer to buy them lunch or something since they will no longer have crew meals!!!!

OK, I get it now sparky, the post says it all, its all about jealousy...The whole preface of your assanine lawsuit! You can't have it, so you don't want anyone else to have it...And you throw stones about calling others professionals!?!? You and your circle jerk pals are really a bunch of losers!
737

 

[jimcav]

RJDC is a f'ing moron. Best of luck to all Delta pilots, and it's not just the booze talking. MOST of us are really pulling for you.

 

[aa73]

Amen to that!

 

[IB6 UB9]

Evasive?

I will PM you.

Bye Bye--General Lee

Closing in on 6000 posts and finally there is one that I want to read from you. Why won't you answer the question...where do you stand General? BTW, I don't want a PM.

 

[Boeingman]

OK, I get it now sparky, the post says it all, its all about jealousy...

It is also about laziness to advance their careers on their own and entitlement.

 

[BenderGonzales]

The very first sufferers of SJS.

Generation "Y" - As in, "Why haven't you given it to me yet?"

 

[michael707767]

Are you willing to walk if she throws out your contract? I haven't heard you say where you stand on that issue.

I'll answer. I am willing to walk.

 

[PCL_128]

I'll answer. I am willing to walk.

That's the answer I've been getting from almost all of the DAL guys I talk to when I'm jumpseating to work. It seems as though everyone's had enough. Hopefully it doesn't come to that, but I wish you all the best. At least someone is standing up for themselves.

 

[Dave Benjamin]

Big talk for a freight dog. Oh but the UPS pilots are so powerful. Then why are contractors still flying your freight? LOL. Just wait till a LCC freight carrier comes along and you won't be talking so big now will you! And what about that big pay raise you thought you were going to get? I've heard that you are not going to be getting now.

Don't you realize that if DAL pilots take a big hit that there wil be a trickle down effect? Your posts and support of the RJDC indicate you're never leaving the regionals but even so you have to realize that regionals will suffer right along with mainline. It would be best for the regionals and the rest of industry if DAL pilots do not suffer in the fashion that you so gleefully hope for.

May I recommend getting a life?

Best of luck to those DAL guys and gals who have already sacrificed a billion dollars worth of concessions. DAL's problem doesn't lie with pilot payrates. It's poor management. Example. Start up goofy LCC carrier within a carrier. Offer all leather seating and inflight entertainment to leisure travellers who aren't paying anything for tickets. Meanwhile the business traveller who spends more on a ticket has no TV to watch and sits in a less comfortable cloth seat. That's it. Let's reward the lowest paying customers and punish the ones buying full fares. The BK court judge should just recommend they find a bright 30 year old with a fresh MBA to run the company and pay him 80,000/year. He probably wouldn't do any worse than the overpaid managment team currently in place.

 

[General Lee]

Closing in on 6000 posts and finally there is one that I want to read from you. Why won't you answer the question...where do you stand General? BTW, I don't want a PM.

I never would PM you anyway. IF it came down to a strike, I would vote for it. Hopefully it doesn't. I understand this company has some major problems, but taking it out mainly on the pilots is wrong. Everyone should share the pain, and the judge said it right when she asked why the company was "throwing darts at the pilots?" Got it?

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[IB6 UB9]

I never would PM you anyway. IF it came down to a strike, I would vote for it. Hopefully it doesn't. I understand this company has some major problems, but taking it out mainly on the pilots is wrong. Everyone should share the pain, and the judge said it right when she asked why the company was "throwing darts at the pilots?" Got it?

Bye Bye--General Lee

Got it...thank you.

 

[Lawman]

Hey rjdc, how goes that lawsuit?? Shouldn't you be mailing in checks to your lawyer about now!?!?
737

Hey 737 Crybaby Pylt: Why don't you start a "Hey Moderators Thead" about rjdc. I mean after all, he is putting down another company's misery. Come on, let's get him banned too.


rjdc: Delta will not walk. They will bend over and take it up the old tail pipe.

 

[Tim47SIP]

Restructuring must be viable!

Delta - I am not really sure how much the Judge can give and take from group to group. Even if she says that the Pilots all deserve a raise, and puts it into law, the economic ability must be there. She may agree that the pilots should stay right where they are in regards to pay, she may even force the 79 seater's (OK with me!) at mainline under mainline costs, but the companies total restructuring plan has to be viable. Hopefully she will look closer at management pay and incentives to bring them down and not just the rest of the labor pool. I think that DALPA will have to emulate the cost structure of the DCI carriers in order to fly anything as small as those carriers currently are flying. They will also have to compromise considerably on the 71-100 seat aircraft as well. I just hope that they don't go below what we already have or we are all screwed.

RJDC - Question, With ASA now a Skywest Inc. entity, how will the lawsuit filed in ASA's name be valid. I remember reading that it was primarily due to Comair and ASA being wholly owned and us not being able to negotiate with Delta management. What exactly will you guys get with ASA gone. If you are just trying to bring scope back to pre 2000, then any DCI contract carrier will benefit, not just Comair and ASA. If it will only benefit Comair at this point then it seems to me that the ASA portion of the law suit is irrelevant.

What is it that you are trying to accomplish here?

 

[B6Driver]

Are we really?

 

[General Lee]

Hey 737 Crybaby Pylt: Why don't you start a "Hey Moderators Thead" about rjdc. I mean after all, he is putting down another company's misery. Come on, let's get him banned too.


rjdc: Delta will not walk. They will bend over and take it up the old tail pipe.

Oh yeah, this guy is COOL! Like Fonzie. EEEEHHHHHHH!

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Delta - I am not really sure how much the Judge can give and take from group to group. Even if she says that the Pilots all deserve a raise, and puts it into law, the economic ability must be there. She may agree that the pilots should stay right where they are in regards to pay, she may even force the 79 seater's (OK with me!) at mainline under mainline costs, but the companies total restructuring plan has to be viable. Hopefully she will look closer at management pay and incentives to bring them down and not just the rest of the labor pool. I think that DALPA will have to emulate the cost structure of the DCI carriers in order to fly anything as small as those carriers currently are flying. They will also have to compromise considerably on the 71-100 seat aircraft as well. I just hope that they don't go below what we already have or we are all screwed.

RJDC - Question, With ASA now a Skywest Inc. entity, how will the lawsuit filed in ASA's name be valid. I remember reading that it was primarily due to Comair and ASA being wholly owned and us not being able to negotiate with Delta management. What exactly will you guys get with ASA gone. If you are just trying to bring scope back to pre 2000, then any DCI contract carrier will benefit, not just Comair and ASA. If it will only benefit Comair at this point then it seems to me that the ASA portion of the law suit is irrelevant.

What is it that you are trying to accomplish here?

Tim,

We didn't say anything about trying to ruin the viability of the company. We have the "books" too, and we actually offered a $91 million a year pay cut (cut back after a certain amount of months) to help bring down the CASM to a LCC level. The company seems to be going for it all. As far as the 79 seat rates, I don't think Dalpa is asking for the moon, and it should have rates higher than 70 seat rates, since it has more seats. The 79 seat rates may be below Jetblue's 100 seat rates, since they are now the new benchmark for 100 seaters. It would be nice to have those planes on the property and also to help get our furloughs back into the cockpit. I think Dalpa has rates available to start negotiating for those 79 seaters and anything bigger.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[BIGBROWNDC8]

RJDC,

Your either young and stupid or old and stupid, either way, your stupid. Your not in a postion to comment about anything relating to our next contract, Im sure that whatever pay we settle on, it will be more than enough to make us all happy as clams...

As far as LCC Cargo operators, You may be right, until then, Im gonna continue living the dream until something changes. For now I have other fish to fry, lets see, I think I might upgrade to the 747-400, no, maybe the A380. Damn, its tought having choices like these to consider.

I had a few rather rude, degrading comments to make to you, but I decided to not do it, because, I remember my days at the regionals staring out the window wondering what it would be like to actually fly something with the word "Heavy" attached to it. You seem passionate about things that are important to you, why dont you re-direct your negitive energy to something more positive and then maybe some positive light may shine back on you. Maybe then you can one day step up and go play with the big boys on the Varsity team...