RAH Representation Election - Write in "RPC"!

[trainer8]

Rpc = fapa...

 

[sociald]

RPC= not gonna happen

 

[DoubtingThomas]

Rpc = doa

 

[The Drizzle]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QidijIR06vs

 

[Beetle007]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QidijIR06vs

LOL...well said...well said

 

[ChinaClipper]

F9 is going to get

SOLD OFF!....IBT has no one left to lie to. Remember, no F9er's are allowed to participate in the thugocracy known as the Truck Drivers Union. APPROVED BY VOTES FROM THE RAH RANK AND FILE!!!! Seems fair? Turn your contract enforcement over to the Dumpstah's Union, Know the FAR's? Now you really KNOW the RAH Contract....oh, and no JA.....Nice work after SIX YEARS????? Run along boys, BB needs a PONY ride.....

 

[Beetle007]

Remember, no F9er's are allowed to participate in the thugocracy known as the Truck Drivers Union. APPROVED BY VOTES FROM THE RAH RANK AND FILE!!!!

Has the NMB declared a single union representative for the Frontier and Republic pilots? Until that happens, the Teamsters are solely responsible for representing the Republic pilots and FAPA is solely responsible for representing the Frontier pilots.

It would seem like a huge conflict of interest to allow a Frontier pilot to be part of the Republic union until the Teamsters are legally responsible for representing the Frontier pilots.

What exactly was your point because maybe I misunderstood?

 

[jacksjj]

I cannot believe this is serious.

You FAPA folks are drinking some dirty dirty Kool-Aid, from both management AND your representatives.

One list, one voice, one contract. Vote IBT. Period.

 

[StaySeated]

That is a lie. I read the contract that Frontier pilots signed in 2007 that allowed for the creaction of Lynx.

http://m.rockymountainnews.com/news/2007/feb/15/frontier-pilots-approve-contract/

Frontier Airlines pilots have voted in favor of a new four-year contract that boosts retirement benefits and helps protect jobs.

The carrier said today that 289 pilots voted for the new contract, while 140 cast bids against it.

The contract will take effect March 1.

"We're pleased that the members have ratified this," said Jeff Thomas, president of the Frontier Airline Pilots Association.

The agreement calls for cost-of-living wage increases, although it also includes future decreases in the pay scale.

For Frontier, the new deal helps boost productivity and lower certain operating costs. The carrier also can use nonunion pilots for its turboprop service, scheduled to start this summer.

The two sides had been negotiating on a new contract for more than a year.

Did you read the CBA or did you read a newspaper article.

Frontier Airlines formed Frontier Airlines Holdings in January 2006. The CBA that is referenced in the above newspaper article was ratified in 2007. Once the company formed FAH, lynx was established.

Nice try though, unfortunately changing the font to bold does not make your inaccurate attempt to change the facts more believable.

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[StaySeated]

How does it benefit the Republic pilots to give the Frontier pilots (a significant minority) equal power in the union that represents both pilot groups.

Please explain how it will benefit everyone on the IMSL if Frontier goes out of business to have a union with 50% control shared by the Frontier pilots while the significant majority of pilots that still holding jobs only retain 50% power.

Read the concept more clearly.

Frontier pilots do not have an equal power in the union.

The Joint Council is made up of 3 pilots from each group, however, the underlying unions still exist.

Frontier pilots still represent Frontier pilots.

357 pilots still represent 357 pilots.

No one takes anything from either side, they only add to the effectiveness that exists today.

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[StaySeated]

I found this language in the Republic contract and can't find anything similar in the Frontier contract: "The Company will not transfer any Company aircraft or schedule any pilots to fly any trips for airlines that are on strike unless mutually agreed by the Company and the Union."

Did Frontier pilots approve a contract where they can be forced to fly for an airline on strike? Seriously?

Thank you for pointing out a rather significant difference between Frontier and RAH.

Frontier doesn't "fly any trips for airlines". Frontier only flies trips for Frontier.

The language that you cut and pasted, and bolded again for unnecessary emphasis, only applies for a fee-for-departure airline.

That would be 0-3. You are out.

I can only imagine the amount of time you just wasted trying to find "bad" things about the "evil" frontier pilots.

The RPC is an effort to bridge what all of us (3000 RAH pilots) have today into a functioning bargaining unit.

Forcing 700+ pilots into the IBT is not the answer.

If you vote for the RPC, you keep everything you have today with the IBT, and you benefit from an engaged group of experienced pilots that care about the progression of all of our careers.

 

[StaySeated]

I cannot believe this is serious.

You FAPA folks are drinking some dirty dirty Kool-Aid, from both management AND your representatives.

One list, one voice, one contract. Vote IBT. Period.

Honest question Jack,

When do you believe we will have "one contract"?

This is a post from the rahpilots.com website...

"We will not have one contract or one voice for a very long time.

The RPC is the only structure that really works while we are working towards the "one contract" and "one voice".

357 is currently in mediation. They have a schedule until November. That is it for the rest of 2011. Then they will be back at the table sometime in 2012. Keep in mind, another airline labor group has been in mediation for 36 months. They are no where near done and no where near being released. The 357 contract negotiations are much closer to the beginning then the end.

Meanwhile, the FAPA CBA remains in effect until an amalgamated CBA can be negotiated.

None of the CBA issues are going to be resolved any time soon. We are looking at several more YEARS of having two CBA's. That is just the unfortunate reallity of our situation.

Anytime someone says "one Contract", they are either not accepting reality or they do not understand our reality.

Therefor, how can we have "one voice" when we still have "two contracts"?

Why should we have "one voice" when we still have "two contracts"?

We have a very unique holding company structure at RAH today. We need a very unique representation structure to function in today's reality.

The RPC is that structure.

357 keeps doing what they do.
Fapa keeps doing what they do.

The CBA's are still administered by the guys that understand them.

Simultaneously, we begin to work together on the pieces that can be merged immediately. We also begin to work together on the pieces that are going to take more time to merge.

One list, one voice, one contract is a shangri-la dream. It doesn't come close to capturing the challenges we face today.

RPC will work.

 

[StaySeated]

Rpc = fapa...

You are halfway there....

RPC = FAPA + 357

working together

We need a unique structure to represent a very unique holding company

RPC is the only structure that will work

If you vote RPC, you will keep everything you have today with the 357 and you will inherit another very engaged pilot group.

 

[arjayeffo]

Congrats China Clipper, you have secured way more votes for IBT than any actual IBT member could have dreamed. Regardless, this vote was dead before it started. The numbers will never work. It won't even be close.

 

[ChinaClipper]

F9 is in the process of being spun off...all this angst is for naught......move on with your lives. The FAPA guys will try and make a reconfigured F9 work, funded in part, by work rule concessions and the IBT can get back to Section 6 and not be so spellbound and "distracted" by the $$$ and power they are chasing now. RPC was a good idea, thankfully, the IB won't have to worry about a poisonous snake in the tent. As for F9? Who knows, the IBT has made giving up $$$ for an unknown future a better option than spending the next 7 years keeping a seat war for RAH lifers....BTW This "case" will serve as a template for Mergers for a LONG TIME! Greed and power are corrosive personal faults, just as dangerous to a Union than to management. Don't expect a beaten house wife to not slip ya a Mickey.....