Question for US Air and AWA Pilots

[Crzipilot]

U has had the upgrades huh??? Interestingly, U has lost more than 500 positions since the merger was announced. Great for the East side....ya....

 

[Carl S.]

What about the new 757 flying and recalls since the merger was completed, doesn't sound too static to me.

 

[Crzipilot]

Well even when the recalls happened. They had a reduction of like 25 positions. Just they had more leave (60/early/whatever) then they had left, hence the 55 recalls. The bid after the 55 recalls, resulted in the loss of 35 more positions. Which I believe that bid has been rolled over three months now.....dunno....

 

[Crzipilot]

Also, have to remember, those that are "upgrades" are kinda just going back to the seat they had at one time. There is some movement I believe left and right, as guys changes bases or positions, trying to follow time or lines or something.....

 

[Itsallsogood]

Let's see AWA was hiring 80 a month 16 months ago.... That has stopped with this aquiring of the broke U. Upgrades were the same. You say 500 lost.... I say 960 upgrades lost here at AWA. Want to whine some more?

 

[BeCareful!]

In real life you'd get your a$$ kicked for talking like that. You're sounding a lot more whiney than anyone else here. I'll bet your a poolie, still at the commuters and crying in your Cherrios every morning. Buck up, son....maybe your carrier will sign a flow thru agreement. I doubt with your piss poor attitude you'd actually get hired at a major. Well, maybe AWA, but they aren't around anymore

 

[WickedPissa]

What are your thoughts on the flow through agreement for Piedmont and PSA pilots? Will it ever happen? Is there a light at the end of the tunnel for us?? How long is it going to take for Mainline to recall all of its furloughs?

A light at the end of the tunnel is to get more hours and apply to other airlines.

The flow through mentality was alive and kicking when I was there in '98. Just think, some of the guys you fly with have been crying about flow throughs for at least 8+ years. Typical day in 1998. "I heard we might get a flow through soon. I hope we get rjs too." ........Present day..."What are your thoughts on a flow through? I guess we're not getting the rjs, huh? What about those Dash 8 400s? We'll make up fake write ups and ground these 100's if AWAC gets those 400s!"

On a similar note, some of the bitter 50+ year old dudes are a bad influence on the more junior types. They are "lifers" and bitch and moan for hours about flow throughs, or how they should merge with mainline and have date of hire integration. (true) How do you spell it...dilusional? I guess this sounds like a Dennis Miller rant without all the fancy vocabulary nobody understands. That place made me bitter. Basically, this post reminded me of crew rooms where the crusties would spout garbage, and the junior guys would eat up every word of it.

 

[Itsallsogood]

Actually an ass kicking is perhaps what I deserve but you could never do it. I am on the active AWA list. Perhaps when you kick my ass you can pull up the gear too. And 10 bucks says you know me and I need to buy you a cold one.

 

[Itsallsogood]

kepell

 

[Itsallsogood]

mr.ron

 

[Tejas-Jet]

will the feelings observed on these boards ever die? Even after the "merger synergies" are realized? I've seen the U/PI battles rage on years after their merger....how many years will this go on?

In addition, will it carry over to the other employee groups....F/A's...mechanics....gate agents....etc.....our group vs. their group.

Just remember this....the traveling public really doesn't care....

Tejas

 

[PHXFLYR]

In real life you'd get your a$$ kicked for talking like that. You're sounding a lot more whiney than anyone else here. I'll bet your a poolie, still at the commuters and crying in your Cherrios every morning. Buck up, son....maybe your carrier will sign a flow thru agreement. I doubt with your piss poor attitude you'd actually get hired at a major. Well, maybe AWA, but they aren't around anymore

Yes we are...we just have the poor misfourtune of having to call ourselves USAir.....How's life at the "F Gates" been treating you "Captain"? Make any new friends at PSA with that attitude?

PHXFLYR

 

[BeCareful!]

PHX, that "poor misfortune" is going to pay off for you big time in the long run. Acting any different only shows your lack of understanding. My guess is that you know it but it's just more fun to act like your a victim here on the Internet.

Not sure about the F gates these days, as AWAC does the bulk of the PHL flying these days. As for my friends, yes, thanks for asking. I have life long friends from every carrier I've worked at.

I guess it's the continual jab from Itsallsogood, aimed at me and my friends, that's gotten me a bit pissed off. Whining? He can call it that, but it's an Ann Coulter-style dismissal of our very real and unfair position. She makes me sick, and so does he. I'm quite sure that makes you both smile.

In the end, I'm sure you guys will be the big winners here, so.....congrats.

 

[FR8mastr]

Let's see AWA was hiring 80 a month 16 months ago.... That has stopped with this aquiring of the broke U. Upgrades were the same. You say 500 lost.... I say 960 upgrades lost here at AWA. Want to whine some more?

This is the exact kind of post that gets east blood boiling. I dont care what anyones opinion of who saved who is. The bottom line is you are complaining about how your upgrades are not to your liking while there are thousands of east pilots on the street and thousands more that have been downgraded and lost half their pay as well.
I know the misfortunes in the East are not the fault of the West in any way, but for crying out loud complaining that your upgrades have stopped is not going to sit well with a guy who has 15 years at U and will probably end up being junior to you. The arbitrator will hose the East in due course, why cant you guys just let it at that, and quit rubbing salt in the fresh wounds.

 

[Carl S.]

Everytime I get a U guy to cry me a river about his woes I ask three questions:

1. What did you do with the money? During the 90's every U F/O made more than any AWA captain.

2. How much is you pension worth and when does it kick -in, we do not have a pension at AWA.

3. Tell me about your stock options, we have none at AWA.

I guess it is tough to go back to the small house after the big house, while at AWA all we ever had was a big cardboard box.