Question About Family Safety While You're Gone

[Cowboy75]

Home defense: Remington 1100

For the road: Trunk monkey http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rFvR7Bv9Fk

 

[30West]

Years ago some gangbanger punk broke into my neighbor's townhouse a few doors down, and had a rather unfortunate encounter with a 100 pound Rottweiler named Lars.

 

[NEDude]

Steal an alarm sign from your neighbor?

Yeah, a bit funny. In a thread about protecting your family and home from crime, the suggestion is to commit a crime on your neighbors home.

 

[michael707767]

Bad idea with kids in the house, perhaps the shotgun with birdshot in it would be the way to go. The thing to remember about a gun, besides being potentially lethal to kids in the house, is if there is a breakin and a wife home alone does have a gun, she has to be prepared to use it effectively , there is no guaranty the bad guy won't get it from her. It's essentially throwing a gun into a her vs. the intruder(s) contest with the victor getting the gun.

Typical liberal anti-gun BS. Yes there is a chance that the bad guy can get the gun. The way we see it, without a gun the odds are zero that she can defend herself.

BTW, the Glock is in a gun vault under the bed. You would have to be awake enough to unlock it to get to the handgun.

My wife is trained and very proficient in handling a gun. She has a CCW permit and carries on a daily basis. Frankly, I would not mess with my wife. She, and I, are perfectly willing to use the gun to defend our home and our family.

 

[IBNAV8R]

I'm assuming if you employ a firearm as part of your home defense plan, you are actually committed to killing another human being. It is essential to know what you're getting into as far as local laws, responsibilities and possible consequences (justified or not) of using lethal force. You need to have a general plan regarding safe rooms, communications, lighting, trajectories/over-penetration, legal help afterward, etc. A good defensive firearms course covers this and is a must for all who have access to said weapons. The U.S. Concealed Carry Assn. is an excellent source for information as well as links to various reputable training academies.

 

[Tweaker]

Yo Tweaker. I have some #5 buckshot for Pheasants. Are you saying they don't make it anymore? Good call on that new home defense ammo. I had forgotten about that.

I'll wager that it's buckshot? I have never seen that referenced and certainly not on an online catalog for purchase. It has occurred to me that I may not possess complete knowledge about this and a great deal of other topics.

Buckshot is actually rarely used for deer hunting (bucks), as it can really tear up the meat and make a damnable mess for field dressing. Ineresting?


No one has mentioned this, so I will. Especially for a solitary female, but still the best practice for a man, in the event of a suspected home invasion, do not go hunting them down! You have many disadvantages even in your own home. A team with many weeks of training together is the only feasible way to do a home sweep, as the complexities and variables are just to great. Men, do yourself a favor and just do what the ladies should do. Sit tight in the most secure location and cover the entrance. Await law enforcement and make them aware of your location and your weaponry at the ready. It is hard for a man to accept, but this is the advice of those who train professionally.

Get a solid core master bedroom door, deadbolt that thing and prepare a nasty surprise for someone fool enough to come messin' with your mamma grizzly!

 

[FSIGRAD]

Nothing against guns, I own quite a few, but there is a high probability of the Ms. actually shooting you. Turn gets canceled and you show up unexpected at 3am.
I suggest the dog. My Bullmastiff is 160lbs. He is great with kids and a increadible judge of character. Anyone trying to break into our house will most likely lose a limb.

 

[701EV]

There are 200 homes on my subdivision. Every neighbor knows where the 90 pound Doberman lives. You can't get within 50 of my house without my wife knowing it. If you get past the Doberman. The wife is well versed in the use of the Mossberg 500.

I don't like the motion lights. When an animal walks by the driveway the lights come on. We always leave the front porch light on. That way you can look out any window and see who is at your front door.

 

[Chubaka]

From what I've seen on MaxEx, buy your wife a tazer.

 

[GINCHBLASTER]

Our German Shepherd has great protective instincts. He knows when people are walking down the street, 2 houses down. He's a great protector and friend.

Also, you can't teach your shotgun to fetch cans of beer from the fridge!

 

[COOPERVANE]

I believe in a layered defense. Lots of motion lights, security sign at least, Dog. Serious solid door with good deadbolt.

Best advise I ever heard was to install a solid wood door as your bedroom door and a put a good deadbolt on it.

This is my wife's plan if I'm out of town.

BTW this plan only works if you don't have kids:

If you hear somebody in the house DON'T LEAVE THE BEDROOM!" Call 911 on your landline and advise them you are in the northeast corner bedroom and you have a gun. Don't hang up but do throw the phone handset on the bed to "hear" the following events.

Open a window and fire a 12 Gauge round into the ground. You just let the intruder know:
1)You are awake and know about him
2) You have a loaded shotgun in the house

You just elevated the 911 call from "possible" intruder to "shots fired"

You'll never have to confront any scumbags. The intruder WILL leave.... no doubt in my mind. If he doesn't he will have a hard time getting into the bedroom. If he does NO JURY in the world would convict you for shooting him.

Doesn't work so well if you are sitting in the living room.

I heard about this from a home defense expert. What flaws do you see?

 

[IBNAV8R]

Nothing against guns, I own quite a few, but there is a high probability of the Ms. actually shooting you. Turn gets canceled and you show up unexpected at 3am.
I suggest the dog. My Bullmastiff is 160lbs. He is great with kids and a increadible judge of character. Anyone trying to break into our house will most likely lose a limb.

This is where a phone might come in really handy.

 

[waveflyer]

I love all the pro gun people here thumping their chest- I'm all for preparedness but you guys don't sound like you want to be just prepared- it's your soap opera trying to figure all the different scenarios- you replay them over and over like a kid shooting hoops in his driveway counting down a game clock- it's crystal clear most of you have never seen a body and blood - and I'd bet half of you at least can't run worth a damn much less defend yourself--

so take the drama out-
1- good loud dog guarantee they're more aware in their sleep than any of us or an alarm-
2- dumb not to have a monitored alarm w/ cameras- this stuff is cheap compared to just 10 years ago
3- self defense and physical fitness- you will have a hard time calming yourself and doing much of anything if it's a struggle just to jog or do a situp and pushup- much less being aware enough to put a gun in the mix-
4- awareness is your biggest protector- get your neighbors in on it and have all of you look out for each other- find family or friends you trust that canstop by and check up- a real criminal will stake you out and if there is a flow of people popping in at random times they will move on to easier targets

love the car alarm idea- I still do this in all kinds of situations-

those are prerequisites before a gun
then if you still want it- hit up your NRA training for every person of age in the home- you take the ffdo course bc you can and take every course available-

Just don't trivialize how killing a person will affect you- it's no chest thumping experience and one you don't want to screw up- anyone that tells you otherwise doesn't know what they are talking about

any current or past cops weigh in yet?

 

[at7driver]

We have had attempted break ins and some casing type activity in our s/d the last few months.

BIG dog and shotguns. alarm system is nice to wake you up but the "event" will be over by the time the sheriffs arrive. make a plan for night time invasions ie: where the kids go, password etc etc.. have a safe room for them to go into and STAY until you come for them. You dont want the kids running around a dark house when you have potential intruders.

still a bit nervous when I'm on trips but I know my family is prepared if something bad does happen.

If you can bid daylines you'd be home at night, though we have had two seperate incidents lately during daylight hours as well.

people are getting desperate.

 

[hockeypilot44]

I love all the pro gun people here thumping their chest- I'm all for preparedness but you guys don't sound like you want to be just prepared- it's your soap opera trying to figure all the different scenarios- you replay them over and over like a kid shooting hoops in his driveway counting down a game clock- it's crystal clear most of you have never seen a body and blood - and I'd bet half of you at least can't run worth a damn much less defend yourself--

so take the drama out-
1- good loud dog guarantee they're more aware in their sleep than any of us or an alarm-
2- dumb not to have a monitored alarm w/ cameras- this stuff is cheap compared to just 10 years ago
3- self defense and physical fitness- you will have a hard time calming yourself and doing much of anything if it's a struggle just to jog or do a situp and pushup- much less being aware enough to put a gun in the mix-
4- awareness is your biggest protector- get your neighbors in on it and have all of you look out for each other- find family or friends you trust that canstop by and check up- a real criminal will stake you out and if there is a flow of people popping in at random times they will move on to easier targets

love the car alarm idea- I still do this in all kinds of situations-

those are prerequisites before a gun
then if you still want it- hit up your NRA training for every person of age in the home- you take the ffdo course bc you can and take every course available-

Just don't trivialize how killing a person will affect you- it's no chest thumping experience and one you don't want to screw up- anyone that tells you otherwise doesn't know what they are talking about

any current or past cops weigh in yet?

Lol. I had a teenager try to rob me with a pocket knife a few years ago. When he did it, I might have had a few drinks in me. As soon as he pulled the knife, I raised my voice and went after him. He turned around and ran away as fast as he could. Looking back that was probably a really dumb move on my part. I don't think the thought of me attacking him back ever crossed his mind.

 

[dillfer]

I love all the pro gun people here thumping their chest- I'm all for preparedness but you guys don't sound like you want to be just prepared- it's your soap opera trying to figure all the different scenarios- you replay them over and over like a kid shooting hoops in his driveway counting down a game clock- it's crystal clear most of you have never seen a body and blood - and I'd bet half of you at least can't run worth a damn much less defend yourself--

so take the drama out-
1- good loud dog guarantee they're more aware in their sleep than any of us or an alarm-
2- dumb not to have a monitored alarm w/ cameras- this stuff is cheap compared to just 10 years ago
3- self defense and physical fitness- you will have a hard time calming yourself and doing much of anything if it's a struggle just to jog or do a situp and pushup- much less being aware enough to put a gun in the mix-
4- awareness is your biggest protector- get your neighbors in on it and have all of you look out for each other- find family or friends you trust that canstop by and check up- a real criminal will stake you out and if there is a flow of people popping in at random times they will move on to easier targets

love the car alarm idea- I still do this in all kinds of situations-

those are prerequisites before a gun
then if you still want it- hit up your NRA training for every person of age in the home- you take the ffdo course bc you can and take every course available-

Just don't trivialize how killing a person will affect you- it's no chest thumping experience and one you don't want to screw up- anyone that tells you otherwise doesn't know what they are talking about

any current or past cops weigh in yet?

Dude, can you ever make a post without being condescending? And by your post I take it that you're not a "pro-gun person." What's the old saying? Lincoln made all men free, Samuel Colt made them equal. This is a thread that puts ideas out there to consider, not a thread to have dad tell people what to do.

 

[waveflyer]

True enough- that post did sound sanctimonious- apologies-
No- I'm pro gun- surprised?

Many of the posts just seem out of order- you should do all of those things- like the previous poster- a layered approach-
The gun is simply the last of many things- I personally find that self defense with a gun is not that useful if you haven't had self defense training incorporated-
A gun doesn't make you equal automatically- you can be a serious danger to yourself and your family if you don't know what you are doing-
Sorry- but I think basic fitness and ability to carry yourself should come first

Nice post above about solid doors and locks and firing the gun in a safe direction so the intruder knows your there-

 

[COOPERVANE]

Many of the posts just seem out of order- you should do all of those things- like the previous poster- a layered approach-
The gun is simply the last of many things- I personally find that self defense with a gun is not that useful if you haven't had self defense training incorporated-
A gun doesn't make you equal automatically- you can be a serious danger to yourself and your family if you don't know what you are doing-
Sorry- but I think basic fitness and ability to carry yourself should come first

Nice post above about solid doors and locks and firing the gun in a safe direction so the intruder knows your there-

I agree completely with you. You simply cant cover all this stuff on a message board.

I don't think a solution to home security is buying a .38 and keeping it on the nightstand.

I am pro gun but I do believe you are more likely to have an accident with the gun than be a victim of crime if everybody in the house (adults) are not trained and proficient.

I have a friend who killed someone in self defense. It was a 100% "clean" shoot and the guy was a scumbag, but my friend still has problems dealing with it. He no longer carries a gun because of it. So yeah, you don't wanna go there. No chest thumping here.

I still think #1 priority is really solid doors and locks. There is no reason why you should wake up startled with someone standing at the foot of your bed as you grab your .38. That should only happen in movies.

 

[pilot error]

big dog, big gun.

My German Shepherd works nicely. Alot of responsibility, time and effort, but worth every hour and penny.

exactly. an intruder would rather deal with me and a gun than with my gsd.

I forgot, another factor to consider if you are thinking about guns, if the intruder(s) are armed, it could mean a shoot out. No guaranty your wife would win.

a lot better odds than if only the bad guy is armed.

 

[murano]

I believe in a layered defense. Lots of motion lights, security sign at least, Dog. Serious solid door with good deadbolt.

Best advise I ever heard was to install a solid wood door as your bedroom door and a put a good deadbolt on it.

This is my wife's plan if I'm out of town.

BTW this plan only works if you don't have kids:

If you hear somebody in the house DON'T LEAVE THE BEDROOM!" Call 911 on your landline and advise them you are in the northeast corner bedroom and you have a gun. Don't hang up but do throw the phone handset on the bed to "hear" the following events.

Open a window and fire a 12 Gauge round into the ground. You just let the intruder know:
1)You are awake and know about him
2) You have a loaded shotgun in the house

You just elevated the 911 call from "possible" intruder to "shots fired"

You'll never have to confront any scumbags. The intruder WILL leave.... no doubt in my mind. If he doesn't he will have a hard time getting into the bedroom. If he does NO JURY in the world would convict you for shooting him.

Doesn't work so well if you are sitting in the living room.

I heard about this from a home defense expert. What flaws do you see?

I freaking love this post.