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If one has the qualifications to be a competitive candidate at Kalitta then one probably is very close to being a competitive candidate at one of the the many major airlines who are hiring. I would seriously pursue opportunities at Delta, Continental, Southwest or Northwest before Kalitta. Seventeen days on the road every month with thirteen days in a row at home may seem nice on paper but it is a lifestyle that works for a very small minority. Unless of course your life revolves around flying rubber dog do-do around the world then it maybe just the ticket.
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You call hauling mail to the troops daily to the Middle East dog do-do? Supporting the military airlift dog do-do? You are an i*d*i*o*t! You are right though, this type of flying is not for everyone, nor is several legs a day hauling whiney pax and dealing with normal domestic delays, sitting right seat for 8-10 years and blaming the over 60 guys, commuting to and from work and renting a crash pad...either. Hopefully guys looking for work do their homework, research, network and decide for themslves what type of flying and/or tickets they need punched!
Name calling, now that's not very nice. "Rubber dog sh#t" is a term used often in the military and sometimes in the cargo world. By no means is it meant to degrade or insult the precious cargo onboard. By the way, usually cargo doesn't care what you call it. I also didn't think the term would insult any "freight dogs", who might be on this forum(we are in the cargo section, after all). Guess I was wrong.
Ease up the name calling or perhaps that's just how you operate.
Ease up the name calling or perhaps that's just how you operate.
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TNHillbilly
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One Dot Low
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Err...dude, I think you started this...
If you think you can pull in $180K/ yr. after your 4th year at the airlines that you mentioned then go and don't bother coming to the freight world if one of them decides to furlough you after the "new" management decides to clean house (and clean you out), yet again.
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Jet time may be prefered but there are several turbo prop guys here. Get your stuff in.
There are very few if any airlines that are stable enough to justify packing up and moving to a base that may not exist in 3 months, commuting with the current skeds and load factors is a fracking nightmare, Crashpads suck, the "retirement plans" aren't a factor...they don't exist any more, nor do the payscales that once defined the so called "Legacy" carriers unless you are a shiester CEO that gets a $63M parachute for beating down all the unions!
17 consecutive days out is rough, but even if you are getting 15 days off a month and commuting 3 or 4 times you are now down to 10 or 11 useful days at home.
No, the lifestyle and operations that are done aren't for everyone, but the bottom line is that you can have a vacation every month if you want, a week or more someplace sunny if you want instead of being home long enough to repack your bag and pay the bills!
Rubber dog crap doesn't stink either...some pax do!
TNHillbilly
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The 17 days a month thing may not be for everyone, but neither is commuting every couple of days, either. Personally, I hate commuting. If I can do that twice a month, once out, once back...good deal.
Personally, seventeen days at a crack gone from home...the shortest time I've been away for work...seventeen days...good deal.
See it works both ways. What works for one person may not work for another, but what you don't like may fit my needs just fine. And so on, and so on.
The operator may not be the highest paying player on the field. The operator may not fly the newest equipment. The operator may have unusual hours or schedules. The operator may not be the most prestigious. However, that operator may be just the ticket for one pilot, and to that pilot, more power to you.
If it's not your cup of tea, don't worry about it. There are more than enough pilots who like the flavor.
Personally, seventeen days at a crack gone from home...the shortest time I've been away for work...seventeen days...good deal.
See it works both ways. What works for one person may not work for another, but what you don't like may fit my needs just fine. And so on, and so on.
The operator may not be the highest paying player on the field. The operator may not fly the newest equipment. The operator may have unusual hours or schedules. The operator may not be the most prestigious. However, that operator may be just the ticket for one pilot, and to that pilot, more power to you.
If it's not your cup of tea, don't worry about it. There are more than enough pilots who like the flavor.
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Guys, if you fly international with 2 pilots and one additional crew member (flight engineer) you can fly 12 hrs a day with an unlimited duty day. No heavy crew needed for this one. The outfit I fly for has a 16 hr duty limit per union contract, but can be extended to 18 hrs for unforseen circumstances. 12 hrs flying in a 18hr dutyday is pretty common. If one leg is empty, everything goes overboard. 13-14 flight hours in a 18hr day are not out of the norm when part 91 flying is involved.
One of the best investments I've made over the last year is a mp3 player. That way I can keep my eyes open in the middle of the night over the ocean or dark africa when everyone else is scanning the overhead. With the idiosynchrasys (sp?) of scheduling you might find yourself up for 30 to 35 hr periods. That to me is the hardest part of the job. Being 17 days gone is not easy, 34 is harder. If you have an understanding family it's doable. Two weeks at home without taking vacation days is not bad. A little creative scheduling and you are home almost a month. Throw in 2 weeks vacation and you don't see a plane for 6 weeks.
I'm happy to be home based and get a lousy ticket to far away places when I see guys standing at the counter begging for a ride after 4 days work, be home one day and spend another day trying to make it back to their crash pad.
Crewmeals: since when is it SOP to bring your own lunchbox for a 4 day trip with the occasional stampede to the food court if time allows? On flights over 2.5 hrs we get catering, sad part is, not some over 65 flight attendant will heat it for us. We still have to do that ourselves. No problem, good chance to stretch your legs.
One of the best investments I've made over the last year is a mp3 player. That way I can keep my eyes open in the middle of the night over the ocean or dark africa when everyone else is scanning the overhead. With the idiosynchrasys (sp?) of scheduling you might find yourself up for 30 to 35 hr periods. That to me is the hardest part of the job. Being 17 days gone is not easy, 34 is harder. If you have an understanding family it's doable. Two weeks at home without taking vacation days is not bad. A little creative scheduling and you are home almost a month. Throw in 2 weeks vacation and you don't see a plane for 6 weeks.
I'm happy to be home based and get a lousy ticket to far away places when I see guys standing at the counter begging for a ride after 4 days work, be home one day and spend another day trying to make it back to their crash pad.
Crewmeals: since when is it SOP to bring your own lunchbox for a 4 day trip with the occasional stampede to the food court if time allows? On flights over 2.5 hrs we get catering, sad part is, not some over 65 flight attendant will heat it for us. We still have to do that ourselves. No problem, good chance to stretch your legs.
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