Preferential hiring for Comair pilots

[Ben Franklin]

There are 1437 furloughed United pilots who are not getting preferential treatment.

I thought they all were offered a slot, in seniority order, flying 737's on the CAL side of the UCH house?

 

[freightdogfred]

When Brand X up in KDAY went Tango Uniform I got no preferential treatment from my ALPA brothers down in CVG, even though I willingly ponied up over 500 clams in a special "strike fund" assessment from ALPO. The only thing I got was some pencil-necked geeky 26 year old kid askin me "Why did I want to work at Comair" (ummm, I need a job?) and "Why should Comair hire me?" (Guess he forgot the whole strike assessment thingy, an me bein a fellow ALPO pilot an all)
I wish no will on anyone, but what comes around goes around in this bizness.

 

[CheapFlyer]

I thought they all were offered a slot, in seniority order, flying 737's on the CAL side of the UCH house?

They were.

This thread is about preferential hiring at other carriers. No other respectable airline offered assistance to those guys, not one.

Then again, not much hiring has happened over the past three years.

 

[jetflier]

I think that pref hiring is a good thing, and the courtesy should be extended to the Comair Folks.

 

[FmrFreightDog]

I think that pref hiring is a good thing, and the courtesy should be extended to the Comair Folks.

Respectfully disagree....

TO: Comair Pilots
FROM: J.C. Lawson, Comair MEC Chairman
DATEecember 16, 2002
Your MEC met in CVG with the Delta MEC Chairman, Captain Will Buergey, at his request, to discuss preferential hiring of furloughed Delta pilots at Comair. Through this letter, I hope to dispel rumors and provide a more thorough understanding of the purpose and outcome of that meeting.

The Delta MEC, while in session at the bi-annual October Board of Directors meeting in Hollywood, Florida, formally directed the Delta MEC Chairman via resolution to meet with the Comair MEC Chairman to seek preferential hiring for furloughed Delta pilots at Comair while allowing them to retain their Delta seniority.

The general philosophy held by the Comair MEC is:

We are sensitive to the regrettable plight of all furloughed pilots in our industry.
We encourage our management to hire pilots who seek a future at Comair.
We have formally approached Comair management and our management has agreed to preferential hiring of furloughed ALPA pilots.
We agree with our company's policy that requires prospective Comair pilots to resign their seniority at their previous carrier.
We believe our Company's industry-standard policy requiring seniority resignation is sound and wise. It promotes the general health and welfare of all Comair employees and serves to protect the future of our company.
At our meeting in CVG, Captain Buergey offered preferential hiring to Comair pilots if the Comair MEC would recommend to Comair management that they hire furloughed Delta pilots and allow them to retain their Delta seniority.

Your MEC responded that hiring any pilots at Comair who do not resign their seniority at their previous carrier gives rise to numerous substantive concerns. The Delta MEC's offer of (future) preferential hiring at Delta is not sufficiently substantive to overcome those concerns and solicit Comair pilots' support. We suggested three alternative concepts, any one or all of which might lead to a mutually beneficial solution:

Relax the Delta PWA, Section 1, seat restrictions imposed upon Comair and ASA that limit our growth in 70-seat and larger airframes.
Negotiate Delta Brand Scope language with Delta management that defines all Delta flying within the Delta revenue stream to be performed solely by Delta, Comair, and ASA pilots.
Negotiate a plan for future integration of our Delta, Comair, and ASA pilots seniority lists that fairly recognizes the efforts and contributions of all.

The Comair MEC stands ready to work with the collective MEC's to bring about change that makes sense in a challenging economic environment and works for all pilots who perform flying under the Delta brand. As we stated in the Tuesday, December 3rd meeting, our door is still open.

COMAIR MEC
AIR LINE PILOTS ASSOCIATION, INTERNATIONAL
SUITE 120 3940 OLYMPIC BOULEVARD ERLANGER, KY 41018
859-282-9016 FAX 859-283-5533

 

[asaflyer]

Ok. So any Comair pilot that is offered a pref. interview must resign his seniority number with Comair. That should be a hard choice to make. (sarcasm)

 

[Muppets]

I'll go against the grain here...

There are a lot of furloughed airline pilots out there. To single Comair plots out for preferential treatment is unfair to those that have been on the street longer. If there is any preferential treatment, it should be for all furloughed pilots.

I'll also go so far as to say that furloughed major airline pilots should get preferential treatment at the major airlines over furloughed regional airline pilots.

I also think military pilots should get preferential treatment due to their service to our country and the sacrifices they have made.

And I think that anyone with an internal recommendation should get preferential treatment as they are a known quality by someone already at the airline.

So maybe what I'm really saying is that hiring should be based on qualifications, not preferential treatment.

And yes, having been furloughed twice, I have "walked a mile in their shoes".

Give me a F'ing break

 

[rjfo]

Give me a F'ing break

Which part, that they've sacrificed for their country;or they should get preferential interviews? To say they haven't sacrificed for their country would show you are blind,ignorant or a combination.

I would agree that everyone should have the same priority as everyone; whether you are military, furloughed or comair. Get the qualification, be competitive and earn your job, just like everyone else on the seniority list!

 

[Jim]

Give me a F'ing break

if your reading comprehension was at least average, you'd realize that the entire post taken in context was that no one should get preferential treatment and hiring should be based on merit.

But it is obvious you are one of those people that think the freedom, rights and opportunities you enjoy in the U.S. just magically appear with without anyone having to make the sacrifices necessary to protect them.

 

[JumpersAway]

I love how views on prefferential hiring always taylor to suit one's own advantage. Here's a thought- let those in charge of the hiring and selection do their job, and you do yours by filling out the application. Let fate, luck, and networking skill affect the odds.

There is also more than one way to serve one's country- protecting liberty, freedom, and opportunity.

 

[Muppets]

if your reading comprehension was at least average, you'd realize that the entire post taken in context was that no one should get preferential treatment and hiring should be based on merit.

But it is obvious you are one of those people that think the freedom, rights and opportunities you enjoy in the U.S. just magically appear with without anyone having to make the sacrifices necessary to protect them.

So by "merit"...you mean that military pilots should get hired first. I get at least one trip a month with a Commander jock strap. Pref hiring for military already exists in Memphis and Louisville...lets keep it there.

 

[stratus72]

I was at Comair during the whole "Delta preferential hiring" fiasco. I, along with plenty of other Comair pilots, had no problem letting the guys keep their seniority number. In addition, many of had absolutely nothing to do with the RJDC. I personally didn't agree with it and made that known to the supporters. I only mention this because some at Delta still carry a grudge and assume we all supported these unpopular union/company/select pilots decisions. Many of us did not...

 

[Flyer1015]

But it is obvious you are one of those people that think the freedom, rights and opportunities you enjoy in the U.S. just magically appear with without anyone having to make the sacrifices necessary to protect them.

We haven't had a war to protect OUR "freedom, rights and opportunities" ever since WWII. Everything else has been for somebody else or something else. Iraq war I and II were both oil. Afghanistan was... something else. But not attacking Afganistan would not have made us lose "freedom, rights, and opportunities."

Lets call a spade a spade. What you are saying was true back in the day, but today, a military pilot is more likely to die stateside on a training mission than in Iraq/Afghanistan or whatever other country Romney decides to invade soon.

I only wish the AF took me, but I couldn't pass the military medical. Free flight training, and I honestly never cared about the fighter squad, bomber units, I'd be just as fat/dumb/happy flying a cargo transport or a refueler. Anyway, to say that military pilots should receive preferntial interviews just for their service is a little ridiculous.

 

[flyboyike]

Please, no preferred anything for us, I beg you. I've had it up to here with being preferred.

 

[Jim]

So by "merit"...you mean that military pilots should get hired first. I get at least one trip a month with a Commander jock strap. Pref hiring for military already exists in Memphis and Louisville...lets keep it there.

By merit I meant qualifications. The best qualified for the job. No preferential hiring.

You know, there are adult learning courses that can help you with your lack of reading comprehension.

Or is it that you are such an anti-military nutcase that you lose all common sense and the ability to reason as soon as you see the word "military"?