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stratus72 said:
I was at Comair during the whole "Delta preferential hiring" fiasco. I, along with plenty of other Comair pilots, had no problem letting the guys keep their seniority number. In addition, many of had absolutely nothing to do with the RJDC. I personally didn't agree with it and made that known to the supporters. I only mention this because some at Delta still carry a grudge and assume we all supported these unpopular union/company/select pilots decisions. Many of us did not...
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And yet the reps that put those MEC people in office and those policies in place remained in power.

No one was recalled, and there was no retraction or repudiation of this position by anyone, not even by a single LEC.

Sorry, doesn't wash. If you objected to it then, something more could have been done by the "majority" that didn't agree with this policy.

My guess is that those who "objected" felt "well, let's see if this gets any traction before I say anything."

The time to act was then, not blubber "it wasn't MY fault" years after the fact. That dog don't hunt.

Nu
 
Nu, I'm afraid you don't understand life in the whipsaw for pilots trying to move on-
The idea in the whipsaw market mainline pilots helped create is to keep your head down and don't make waves- then MOVE ON.
 
Twisted Mind said:
Delta guys, GET OVER IT!!!!!
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Tell that to a Delta guy (not me) who couldn't even interview because the greed (and attempted scope grab) over there wouldn't allow him to interview for a NEW-HIRE F/O spot......

Sorry that's karma smackin you in the .......
 
Judging by who started this post and does the most whining about Delta scope, Wave was a Comair guy?

Makes sense.....PFT Commuter Pilot, PFT 737 Pilot.
 
Muppets said:
So by "merit"...you mean that military pilots should get hired first. I get at least one trip a month with a Commander jock strap. Pref hiring for military already exists in Memphis and Louisville...lets keep it there.
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Boy, you really CAN'T read, can you? He's even spelled it out for you and you still missed it to put a slam on military guys in general. Here it is, slower and with more direct words:

He says Comair should get preferrential hiring, ...as should furloughed guys, ...as should military guys, ...as should everyone else.... Get it? He's applying a little sarcasm here- he's saying that EVERYONE has a sob story or special qual to put them at the top of the list; therefore, no one gets preferential treatment, and airlines should hire on merit (whatever their criteria is), and merit alone.

Is that any better? Do you get it now? Or do you want to take another unrelated slap at the military again because you saw a Navy reference in his profile?

Bubba
 
Flyer1015 said:
We haven't had a war to protect OUR "freedom, rights and opportunities" ever since WWII. Everything else has been for somebody else or something else. Iraq war I and II were both oil. Afghanistan was... something else. But not attacking Afganistan would not have made us lose "freedom, rights, and opportunities."

Lets call a spade a spade. What you are saying was true back in the day, but today, a military pilot is more likely to die stateside on a training mission than in Iraq/Afghanistan or whatever other country Romney decides to invade soon.

I only wish the AF took me, but I couldn't pass the military medical. Free flight training, and I honestly never cared about the fighter squad, bomber units, I'd be just as fat/dumb/happy flying a cargo transport or a refueler. Anyway, to say that military pilots should receive preferntial interviews just for their service is a little ridiculous.
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First of all, nobody really said they should get preferential treatment in hiring at the airlines; you seem to have a somewhat milder case of whatever comprehension affliction that Muppets has.

Also, you seem to be forgetting the cold war, which essentially ended only in 1989. Unless, of course, you're one of those guys who believe that surely those friendly Soviets intended to stop their takeover progress at the iron curtain line held to by the forces of NATO. That whole manifesto about making the entire world communist, by any means necessary, and actually written into their constitution, was just a big gag. There was no danger to the "freedom, rights and opportunities" of Americans (or other people) from those zany, vodka-drinking jokesters. Certainly they wouldn't have taken over any OTHER countries (I mean other than the ones they actually did, of course) if we hadn't stood up to them with actual military strength.

And plenty of airline pilots working today, served in the military in those years as cold war military personnel "fought" and sacrificed (up to and including their lives) in that particular conflict. I just thought I'd point that out to you, seeing as how your history book seems to be a little lacking.

Bubba
 
What other age-old debates could we have on this thread?
 
SWA bubba

My nephew can't make it into his dream university despite a 4.0 GPA and all the other boxes checked. His crime, not being in a group perceived as in need of a preference. Read between the lines to arrive at the conclusion. One should be hired on merit and nothing else. If I've missed your point, I apologize but quotas, preferences and anything that wreaks of it doesn't sit well with me

Signed a former Marine

Ps, don't anyone thank me for my service, it was my privilege to do so.
 
Russ said:
SWA bubba

My nephew can't make it into his dream university despite a 4.0 GPA and all the other boxes checked. His crime, not being in a group perceived as in need of a preference. Read between the lines to arrive at the conclusion. One should be hired on merit and nothing else. If I've missed your point, I apologize but quotas, preferences and anything that wreaks of it doesn't sit well with me

Signed a former Marine

Ps, don't anyone thank me for my service, it was my privilege to do so.
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Hey, I agree with you 100%. All I was saying was that his point was the NO one should get preferential treatment in hiring. And personally I believe that should apply to everything--universities, airline jobs, etc. But I like to believe in Santa Claus as well... :)

Bubba
 
freightdogfred said:
When Brand X up in KDAY went Tango Uniform I got no preferential treatment from my ALPA brothers down in CVG, even though I willingly ponied up over 500 clams in a special "strike fund" assessment from ALPO. The only thing I got was some pencil-necked geeky 26 year old kid askin me "Why did I want to work at Comair" (ummm, I need a job?) and "Why should Comair hire me?" (Guess he forgot the whole strike assessment thingy, an me bein a fellow ALPO pilot an all)
I wish no will on anyone, but what comes around goes around in this bizness.
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I will give you a pass on the bitterness if you tell me that you have access to those pillows.
 
Wave, thanks for moving the post when I put it in the wrong place and didn't have time to move it, you at least tried! In answer to the screaming brigade on here.....it's not preferential HIRING, it's a courtesy being extended to fellow ALPA pilots whose airline is now gone. Quite different from being furloughed obviously. It's not a guaranty of a job but I think the least we can do is offer interviews to the Comair pilots that are motivated enough AND really want to fly for Hawaiian to be given a chance at an interview. We have and will be hiring a lot of pilots. I know Hawaiian tries to be as fair as possible in hiring from various backgrounds. We have hired a LOT of ex AQ guys and it's worked out very well for them and Hawaiian. Haven't come across that many ex ATA folks though I am told they had the same status of being looked at if they applied. Again, it's not a guaranty, but an extra boost to your resume if you will. There are still a lot of pilots trying very hard to get hired here and it is a pretty daunting process if you ask me, but well worth it IF you want to work here.
 
The one critical thing anyone considering flying for Hawaiian should consider is the fact that we are based in HNL. Great for some, not so much for others. Most of us live in Hawaii, primarily Oahu but a significant amount of outer island commuters, primarily Maui. Over the years I've seen plenty of pilots come over from the mainland and end up loving living here but that is not always the case. The primary roadblock seems to be family and of course everyone's situation is different. You really need to factor in spouse, kids family when considering moving here. We also have plenty of commters from the mainland and for a some, it seems to work. Particularly if you live in a city we serve. Some live in place like PDX, LAS, or PHX and do mostly trips that layover at home.
It's way to complex to try and sum up the pros and cons of living in Hawaii and everyone's situation and perception is unique, just understand that you need to consider the fact we are an island state in the middle of the Pacific. I wouldn't live any were else, I absolutely love everything about living here, but it can seem pretty isolated if you really want to be somewhere else.
Hawaiian itself is a great place to work. All our flying is what would be either pretty senior or VERY senior at any other airline. We have a good contract and the will to preserve it and make it better. Management seems to know what they are doing and the future looks bright. The crews are by and large a friendly and laid back but professional group with a lot of experience and we have no internal battles going on. A bit of a rarity in this business!
Anyway, this is just one persons perspective after 26 years of living here and watching Hawaiian morph through all kinds of different persona's.
 
Bah, this is nothing...the old mil vs civ threads back in the day of the "one page" FI put this to shame.

Nu
 
Jim said:
By merit I meant qualifications. The best qualified for the job. No preferential hiring.

You know, there are adult learning courses that can help you with your lack of reading comprehension.

Or is it that you are such an anti-military nutcase that you lose all common sense and the ability to reason as soon as you see the word "military"?
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Haha.. you are right, my bad...carry on squid. See you in PHX.
 
why not just put an ad out there and see who applies and who shows up and measure them by the criteria you the employer choose and let committee make the decisions...sounds pretty simple..


give the vets an interview first sure...but if he's a tool..don't hire him..
 
Preferential hiring...bullsh*t! Maybe you should run the Comair Academy grads up to the top of the list.
 

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