Possible SWA T.A. pay numbers... Embrace the suck.

[madjack]

"Past performance is not necessarily indicative of future results." I am sorry for you and your family that you were furloughed. But I was just saying that what has been standard procedure for most airlines (hire to you furlough) has not been the case at SWA...it seems that management at SWA has a longer view when it comes to sustainability...I understand mgmt when they seek to "low ball" us in negotiations and seek what we view as concessionary changes to work rules and pay rates...hey that's their job...but by not settling with us 2 years ago, they screwed up and they know it...the current negotiating environment favors labor, perhaps as it never has before... DL mgmt misjudged, and our FAs will probably vote down their TA...the stage is set for real gains in this contract if we remain unified...

 

[maru657]

I'd like to point out to PCL and Lear70, you may be arguing a moot point. SWAPA and DALPA can never afford to strike. At least not during your career paths. After the debacle of the 80's and the flagrant disregard of PATCO's pickett lines any attempt by either group to strike would wind up in failure. And frankly, why should some kid from the regionals respect their efforts knowing that without the right "squadron creds" he or she would never be hired there anyway. It is interesting to see how far they'll take it though.

 

[Skybus]

Wow. And you "gentleman" have people trust their lives to you......?

 

[HA25]

Air force has nothing to do with the military.

a truer statement was never made on FI.com

 

[calfo]

89-90 ca hours a month @ united = about $20K with 15 days off.

 

[HA25]

89-90 ca hours a month @ united = about $20K with 15 days off.

you saying at UAL you're crediting 90 hours with 15 days off on narrow bodies? really? or you just making that up? How much flight time is that typically?

 

[Ex737Driver]

you saying at UAL you're crediting 90 hours with 15 days off on narrow bodies? really? or you just making that up? How much flight time is that typically?

Yep add some per diem and some INTL override and 90 hours will get you $20K+ before taxes for 737 and 320 captains.

 

[Flopgut]

you saying at UAL you're crediting 90 hours with 15 days off on narrow bodies? really? or you just making that up? How much flight time is that typically?

It can be done on reserve as well. VDO your last day off 3 times a month into a productive trip.

 

[Clyde Frog]

When you're negotiating from a position of weakness, you get what you're given. No leverage = $h!+ contract.

I love the guys that talk about the 150TFP/month...premium time...and in the next breath start talking smack about what they'll accept as retro. GMAFB. this place has "cartels" who's goal is to steal trips from fellow pilots. If this was any other airline these hoars would be ostracized...their names would be on a list...at SW they're considered heros.

I'll vote in favor of the first halfway reasonable offer to come along...for 3 reasons.

1. If I've learned anything from the AT integration, it's this...if you try to negotiate with no leverage, this management will screw you hard and deep and do it with a smile.
2. This pilot group is a clueless and greedy bunch of narcissistic sheeple who don't have a clue how labor/management negotiations are supposed to work.
3. I hate SWAPA.

 

[HowardBorden]

I'll vote in favor of the first halfway reasonable offer to come along...for 3 reasons.

1. If I've learned anything from the AT integration, it's this...if you try to negotiate with no leverage, this management will screw you hard and deep and do it with a smile.
2. This pilot group is a clueless and greedy bunch of narcissistic sheeple who don't have a clue how labor/management negotiations are supposed to work.
3. I hate SWAPA.

Self-fulfilling prophecy

A self-fulfilling prophecy is a prediction that directly or indirectly causes itself to become true, by the very terms of the prophecy itself, due to positive feedback between belief and behavior.

 

[SWA Bubba]

Self-fulfilling prophecy

A self-fulfilling prophecy is a prediction that directly or indirectly causes itself to become true, by the very terms of the prophecy itself, due to positive feedback between belief and behavior.

Gotta love the Frog--he's nothing if not predictable.

Bubba

 

[-9Capt]

hey Frog, are you wearing your dark tie? 'Cause our union leadership says that's an effective negotiating tactic and it'll get us a contract!

 

[Luv2BFlyin]

Gotta love the Frog--he's nothing if not predictable.

Bubba

Frog seems to get it, SWAPA has little to no leverage. The 800's, no international override, no bonus in 2012, no crew meals, and whatever else they gave away to keep Gary in their hip pocket during integration negotiations has already been paid for. To think the company owes anything at this point is folly.

I'll still vote no as I've never voted yes on anything yet, but there is a lot of fatigue and guys are just tired and ready to be done. It's ironic that anyone would be counting on any FAT votes against a less than stellar CBA, as the majority don't give a crap anymore and know the enemy as well as the lack of fortitude of their "brothers" and might as well expedite the inevitable and move on.

 

[SWA Bubba]

Frog seems to get it, SWAPA has little to no leverage. The 800's, no international override, no bonus in 2012, no crew meals, and whatever else they gave away to keep Gary in their hip pocket during integration negotiations has already been paid for. To think the company owes anything at this point is folly.

No. Frog does not "get it." This has absolutely nothing to do with "getting it."

His posts and attitude demonstrate that Frog couldn't give the first crap about what leverage SWAPA may or not have. He doesn't care how well our union does or does not work, nor does he care about how things work between the company and the pilots. He and a few others (most notably Fred and -9Capt, but also yourself, to a lesser extent) care only about slamming SWAPA and SWA every chance they get. There could be a thread about Delta or United (or the friggin' weather, for that matter), and one or more of them would find some way to work in a few "SWAPA sucks" comments. Their hatred and bitterness drive every word they post on this forum. That's the reality of those guys.

And it's not like it isn't obvious to everyone else who's reading. I kinda' feel sorry for them, actually.

Bubba

 

[HowardBorden]

It's ironic that anyone would be counting on any FAT votes against a less than stellar CBA

One would think they would look out for their own best interest........nothing more nothing less!

If FAT pilots somehow think they are going to harm anyone but themselves by voting yes to an inferior deal, that is in fact steeped in irony.

 

[Clyde Frog]

Frog seems to get it, SWAPA has little to no leverage. The 800's, no international override, no bonus in 2012, no crew meals, and whatever else they gave away to keep Gary in their hip pocket during integration negotiations has already been paid for. To think the company owes anything at this point is folly.

I'll still vote no as I've never voted yes on anything yet, but there is a lot of fatigue and guys are just tired and ready to be done. It's ironic that anyone would be counting on any FAT votes against a less than stellar CBA, as the majority don't give a crap anymore and know the enemy as well as the lack of fortitude of their "brothers" and might as well expedite the inevitable and move on.

RSW pilots traded -800 pay, crew meals, Int'l, etc for the threats Gary made to keep the integration out of arbitration. Anyone involved knows this to be true but few seem willing to admit it.

 

[HowardBorden]

RSW pilots traded -800 pay, crew meals, Int'l, etc for the threats Gary made to keep the integration out of arbitration.

The ONLY folks that had the ability to keep the integration out of arbitration were the 83% of pilots that voted for the offer on the table.

 

[Clyde Frog]

The ONLY folks that had the ability to keep the integration out of arbitration were the 83% of pilots that voted for the offer on the table.

A gross oversimplification from an obvious simpleton.

 

[Clyde Frog]

His posts and attitude demonstrate that Frog couldn't give the first crap about what leverage SWAPA may or not have. He doesn't care how well our union does or does not work, nor does he care about how things work between the company and the pilots. He and a few others (most notably Fred and -9Capt, but also yourself, to a lesser extent) care only about slamming SWAPA and SWA every chance they get.

Hmm...I wonder why that is?
You can't whip your dick out and slap me across the face with it and expect me to act like I love SW and SWAPA. I don't. I never will and I'm not alone. When your SWAPA and management colluded to screw over the FATs, this is what you get...a disgruntled bunch of malcontents

 

[madjack]

Can't fix stupid