Possible New Fall Staffing Solution at ASA

[wms]

It doesn't matter what system is used. The top get what they want, the middle get nothing and the bottom gets hosed.

 

[Tarzan]

Did I miss an email? When does PBS start?

[FONT=&quot]PBS Training Begins Soon[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Scheduled to begin August 5th , the customized version of PrefBid will be enabled on your Flica account. PBS trainers will be available in the crew lounge to assist you with questions you may have about the PBS software and to offer assistance. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]In the following weeks, three PBS parallel bids will be held on August 11-15, August 20-23, and August 28-31. It is essential to achieve near 100% participation from our pilot group in all three bids to give everyone the best training experience. It is imperative that you set your DEFAULT BID prior to the first bid. [/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Question:[/FONT][FONT=&quot] Why are we conducting weekly parallel bidding vs. monthly parallel bidding?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Answer:[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Bidding three times in one month compared to three times in three months invokes the law of exercise, and stresses the idea that repetition is basic to the development of adequate response; things most often repeated are easiest remembered. [/FONT][FONT=&quot]It is [/FONT][FONT=&quot]critical for you to be proficient with PrefBid prior to bidding for schedules in the upcoming holiday months.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Pilot PBS trainers will be available during the entire practice process to be an additional resource. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]To help yourself ahead of time, please review the demo videos found on the Flica website main page. [/FONT]
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[Data]

It doesn't matter what system is used. The top get what they want, the middle get nothing and the bottom gets hosed.

Speaking of the top, where'd Commander Helms go, did he take a COMA or something?

 

[centralpilot]

[FONT=&quot]PBS Training Begins Soon[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Question:[/FONT][FONT=&quot] Why are we conducting weekly parallel bidding vs. monthly parallel bidding?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Answer:[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Bidding three times in one month compared to three times in three months invokes the law of exercise, and stresses the idea that repetition is basic to the development of adequate response; things most often repeated are easiest remembered. [/FONT][FONT=&quot]It is [/FONT][FONT=&quot]critical for you to be proficient with PrefBid prior to bidding for schedules in the upcoming holiday months.[/FONT]

Real Answer: The company wants PBS live ASAP and ALPA is obliging them.

Who wants to bid 4 times in one month? Unless they have 3 different sets of pairing data, what good will 3 bids in one month achieve? If they use different pairing data for each practice bid, how will that be "parallel bidding". I thought the entire point of the parallel bids was to see the effects of your PBS bid vs. your normal line bidding pattern for 3 cycles. I distinctly remember them saying we would have one month of training followed by 3 months of parallel bidding in the PBS roadshows. What incentive does the union have to rush this?

 

[the palm]

Real Answer: The company wants PBS live ASAP and ALPA is obliging them.

Who wants to bid 4 times in one month? Unless they have 3 different sets of pairing data, what good will 3 bids in one month achieve? If they use different pairing data for each practice bid, how will that be "parallel bidding". I thought the entire point of the parallel bids was to see the effects of your PBS bid vs. your normal line bidding pattern for 3 cycles. I distinctly remember them saying we would have one month of training followed by 3 months of parallel bidding in the PBS roadshows. What incentive does the union have to rush this?

I say the quicker we get this thing going the better. We voted for this thing overwhelmingly so it must be better than what we have now. We have a month to practice with it. Thats all I need.

Get this thing online now! Bye bye integration. Bye bye red arrows. Hello partial trip drops and first come first served open time.

 

[601Pilot]

Email your reps, I know it's a pain in the but by letting them know how outright pissed we are is the only thing that might help.

Yes, email the reps and let them know how pissed you are at this development. We can stop this now, but it will take some work from the pilot group. If the company wanted it this quickly, then they should have expedited the work on their end.

ALPA also forgot to tell you that the pairings that will be used for the parallel bids will be fictitious pairings which follow the LOA; not the actual pairings for September. What good will that do? I can build a great schedule if I can make up the pairings!

 

[777forever]

I say the quicker we get this thing going the better. We voted for this thing overwhelmingly so it must be better than what we have now. We have a month to practice with it. Thats all I need.

Get this thing online now! Bye bye integration. Bye bye red arrows. Hello partial trip drops and first come first served open time.

Free beer for this man! WELL SAID!

 

[centralpilot]

ALPA also forgot to tell you that the pairings that will be used for the parallel bids will be fictitious pairings which follow the LOA; not the actual pairings for September. What good will that do? I can build a great schedule if I can make up the pairings!

Actually, on further thought, it kinda makes sense to use fictitious pairings for the practice bids. I doubt the PBS system would give good solutions with our present pairings (high % of 4-days). If that's the case, there is no point to practice bidding parallel to normal line bidding as it would be comparing apples to oranges. Gripes retracted.

 

[Dannone]

I spoke with one of the Alpa guys today. We have been below 60% four day trips for a year according to him. The way it was explained it is not 4 day lines but trips that is maxed at 60%. Also, he said the point of practice bids was to get to know how to use the system, not to see what you will hold. The company is now laughing at us. I don't trust them or Alpa. Good news is that I have heard of 3 junior FO girls getting hired at Delta. Such a joke!!! The whole industry is fubar!!!

 

[sswanson]

"No Asa Alpa" group is formed on FACEBOOK. 38 members so far and at least 1 is from our MEC I know you will figure out who it is. Take a look

 

[sswanson]

[email protected],
[email protected],
[email protected],
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Heres who needs to hear from each of use to make it easy for you all.

 

[atlcrjdriver]

~30 furloughs are bypassing, Fall flight hours are not dropping off.

Solution: Rush PBS in by the end of August so ASA don't have to hire or run as many upgrades.

We all lost relativity by voting in PBS.

While I agree that we are short how does delaying PBS help the pilot group? PBS was voted for by a vast majority of the pilot group and want it implemented ASAP. As long as the pilot trainers are there to aid those that need it why delay unnecessarily?

 

[SPDBRD747400]

While I agree that we are short how does delaying PBS help the pilot group? PBS was voted for by a vast majority of the pilot group and want it implemented ASAP. As long as the pilot trainers are there to aid those that need it why delay unnecessarily?

Could it have been rigged? Everyone I talk to say they voted NO...I did (No) is everyone else lying?

 

[atlcrjdriver]

Could it have been rigged? Everyone I talk to say they voted NO...I did (No) is everyone else lying?

Have you talked to all ~1670 pilots? Apparently not as I voted yes and I am not alone by a long shot.

 

[Freebrd]

haha and now that worm sh is asking for voluntary vacation give backs from now til august, you fools. ct and sh should be fired for our manning situation

 

[atlcrjdriver]

haha and now that worm sh is asking for voluntary vacation give backs from now til august, you fools. ct and sh should be fired for our manning situation

They did the same thing a few months ago and recalled all the furloughs. CT fell on his sword and took responsibility for his mistake. Until you have sat in his seat you are tossing darts in the dark. While I agree that we are short and needed to be hiring months ago OUR PBS system shouldn't be used as some form of anti mgnt pawn. The majority of our group voted this system in and want it implemented ASAP.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Let's just implement PBS and move on....No sense dragging it out any longer...Better now than the holiday months....

 

[ASA_Aviator]

Good news is that I have heard of 3 junior FO girls getting hired at Delta. Such a joke!!! The whole industry is fubar!!!

Do you know any of them? Didn't think so. What is wrong with this industry is everyone being worried about everyone else's business. "Mommy mommy, she got hired before I did! Whaaaaaaaa!"

 

[Cpt Oveur]

You will be awarded a schedule in September pursuant to the way you have bid for one this month, PBS will be used to bid your actual schedule for October.

 

[maxcackel]

Do you know any of them? Didn't think so. What is wrong with this industry is everyone being worried about everyone else's business. "Mommy mommy, she got hired before I did! Whaaaaaaaa!"

I know one of them, and I'm still trying to understand why Big D would hire someone with low time/no PIC with no contacts over all the more qualified females or males for that matter. I know it's their playground just wondering why the change. I would not be human if I said I was not a little jealous and confused over it when you have waited patiently then get bypassed by someone 4-5 years junior. Last time they hired they were saying the magic number for ASA people was 500 pic to get the call. Staying positive I'll get my turn.